When i was 15 i did mushrooms 5 times throughout that year. The first 3 trips were incredible. Awesome visuals, awesome thoughts, awesome feelings. THe last 2 trips were absolutely terrible. I had extreme panic attacks, wanting to kill myself to end the terror I was experiencing. It was extremely intense. I feel I was rejecting what was happening to me and couldn't let go of my ego. I was thinking about eternity and felt i could never escape consciousness even in death and was afraid to die. Sometimes i will have minor panic attacks on Marijuana as-well and my first "Bad Trip" reminded me of that feeling of my first panic attack while high when i was 14. Otherwise I am 19 now and can smoke pot fine, whenever I feel panic coming on i know exactly what to do to no let it manifest into something terrible. I keep remembering the greatness of a good mushroom trip and I re-read my trip journals i made. I want to trip again and really want to try LSD. Is LSD more intense, more of a complete mind fuck, then mushrooms. Cause I feel totally mind fucked on mushrooms. If I went into the trip knowing i was going to have a good time, with that panic possibly lingering somewhere in there. Would i be able to handle the Acid, and be able to fight off bad thoughts. Are you in control or does the drug take over
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Re: LSD after mushrooms bad trip
Tue, July 8, 2008 - 5:44 PM> Is LSD more intense, more of a complete mind fuck, then mushrooms?
Yes.
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Re: LSD after mushrooms bad trip
Tue, July 8, 2008 - 7:24 PMGo for it - AFTER you've worked out your panic attack issues. Meditation, shamanic work, therapy or whatever gets you there. -
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Re: LSD after mushrooms bad trip
Tue, July 8, 2008 - 7:43 PMI recommend giving it a few years - get some more road under your skirt, get to know yourself a little better, explore your darkness without the accelerant. You likely won't, but mark my words: in 10 or 15 years you'll appreciate the intricacies of LSD so much more. You'll have a lot more to work with as a more seasoned individual, and you won't be as scared of the "dark". Not that you are now: but there's a fullness to embracing life on its own terms which only years of plain living will impart. LSD is a marvelous tool for understanding, so much more than a "ride" or visuals generator, and though it be "only" chemical, there's a respect it seems to recognize.
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Re: LSD after mushrooms bad trip
Tue, July 8, 2008 - 8:16 PMI know someone who has had a very similar experience as you.
and he says that nothing has the potential to be as scary as a
bad mushroom trip.
Terrence McKenna said that those happened to him as well,
and that the tendency to "clutch" should be avoided as best as possible
and that sitting up (opposed to the fetal position) and singing is a good idea..
he said he thought most of this could be avoided by a dose large enough to
rip your ego away so effectively as to not let you clutch...
and your setting is of vast importance.
safe, comfortable and private will help.
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Tue, July 8, 2008 - 11:31 PMi think singing is a fabulous idea! if only to know you can resort to it as a sort of energetic comb-through if you need it.
that, and to always remember the drugs wear off. they always do.
it doesn't necessarily stop serious overwhelm, but it can be like surfing; just ride that wave cuz eventually you'll end up on shore. and the scenery meanwhile is probably stuff you want to integrate anyway. let it be.
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Wed, July 9, 2008 - 1:36 AMI don't believe in bad trips. I believe in difficult trips that may seem bad because we don't allow ourselves to come face to face with the issues that are confronting us. The more you hide from a problem ON a psychedelic (and in real life, but this is definitely amplified on a psychedelic) the worse it gets. It's as if you're feeding it. Ultimately I would suggest pushing THROUGH your difficult situation. That tends to clear things up pretty quickly for me. In fact the experience FROM this, I find, is much more rewarding than the experience of a completely "good" trip.
as to the difference, it all depends from person to person. I was once told that percentage wise, less people have bad trips off of LSD than mushrooms, although I'm not sure what study that was based off of, nor do I have to patience to find it right now.
from personal experience, I would say that LSD has consistently been much friendlier than mushrooms on my system and mental state, but it depends from person to person. No chemical substance is going to behave exactly the same on each and every person. Our brain chemistry (and life experiences) differ from person to person. -
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Wed, July 9, 2008 - 7:18 PMI agree. LSD seems to push me towards a positive mental state, whereas shrooms are more unpredictable and based around what you bring into the experience. Personally I favor shrooms for that very reason. I feel as my mental states are more my own doing than the drug pushing me in a certain direction. -
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Wed, July 9, 2008 - 8:21 PMMaybe a simple redefinition of "bad" is what's called for.
I've had trips where i literally couldn't function except to weep. Total ego breakdown, which was NOT pleasant at the time, but gave me a valued glimpse into something much larger than myself and my ideas of that self.
Assume it's all a gift, even the difficult stuff. Very much like life in that respect.
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Wed, July 9, 2008 - 8:32 PMHonestly, in my experience, I thought LSD was much easier to handle than mushrooms. LSD has pretty much always been cool to me, like a really cool down chick who just makes you feel comfortable. Mushrooms were more like a high maintenance bitchy chick that you have to kiss her ass all the time to make her treat you nicely. I have never had any bad acid trips but I have had a few bad mushroom trips. For me, if it is too cold on mushrooms, I will have a bad trip, if something unexpected happens, I can't cope with it as well. But others on here are saying the opposite, so I don't know.
I have always been a big fan of visualization. I would say before you do the acid, close your eyes, breathe deeply for a few minutes to get into a meditative state, and then imagine yourself already on the acid, having a great time, see yourself smiling, laughing, feeling content, allow yourself to feel those feelings as you picture it in your mind. Be specific in your visualization too, picture you in the clothes you plan on wearing, in the place you plan on being just having a great time. And say thank you that was really fun (speak it out loud).
Then, you have already travelled there in your mind and you've already had a good time in your mind, so you will be prepared for it to play out in front of your eyes, as you have already played it out behind them.
By the way, this is a good trick for anything. I would even call it a Sky Trick (winky face) -
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Wed, July 9, 2008 - 9:30 PMbut where's the fun in that? I don't want to know what's in the box. I just want to open it :-P -
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Wed, July 9, 2008 - 9:38 PMOkay, peter pandora ;)
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Wed, July 9, 2008 - 10:21 PMI have to agree. I don't want to pre-program when my whole intent is to get beyond all the programs: let what needs to happen, happen. -
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Thu, July 10, 2008 - 7:45 AMthe only thing I can offer in terms of advice is to let go and be open - I agree totally with let what needs to happen happen. Doesn't matter if its LSD or mushrooms. I have found that the mushrooms are a living entity and interact with me as one sentient creature interacts with another while LSD allows access to my own subconscious material - possibly to some collective consciousness also but that is only speculation. They are very similar but very different at the same time - one is a chemical and one is a living being -
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Thu, July 10, 2008 - 10:56 AMinteresting distinction. i've read that they now "synthesize" living microbes from pure chemicals....so where is the line between chemistry and what we call life? maybe we just resonate more with stuff that's closer to our own biological settings?
if everything is life, or consciousness, where does the perception of "other" fit in? i know a lot of folks talk about the spirits of various plants, but i think it's also possible that no matter where we go in our psychonaut explorations, or how those encounters are interpreted, what we're fundamentally meeting with is ourselves. (and i do mean that in the plural.)
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Thu, July 10, 2008 - 12:29 PMyes shrooms are sentient and will play tricks on you where your consciousness needs chiseling. Beware the illusory nature of these interactions, however. Don't ever believe that you are in any threat whatsoever. You can only go crazy if you allow it.
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Thu, July 10, 2008 - 2:32 PMi think it's simplistic (and maybe a tad moralistic) to say bad trips are about baggage. sometimes it may just be about stretching beyond a very normal comfort zone, or encountering spaces the rational mind is simply not equipped to handle at the time.
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Thu, July 10, 2008 - 2:58 PMsome are born to sweet delight
some are born to endless night
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Thu, July 10, 2008 - 3:08 PM" i think it's simplistic (and maybe a tad moralistic) to say bad trips are about baggage. "
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Thu, July 10, 2008 - 3:22 PM
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Thu, July 10, 2008 - 4:07 PM"i think it's simplistic (and maybe a tad moralistic) to say bad trips are about baggage. sometimes it may just be about stretching beyond a very normal comfort zone, or encountering spaces the rational mind is simply not equipped to handle at the time.
sorta like muscles stretch with use....but there's pain in developing those too. "
Well then your bad trips must be vacations.
I have had bad trips where I have thought my existence was meaningless, wanting to die, and meeting demons who tell me I am a one of them. I could externalize it, but all are really just extensions of the self that need to be recognized for the spirit to become whole again.
This is why i call it baggage. Any problems I encounter are really just my own, and I must devour them.
I kind of see what you are saying about stretching the mind to unknown spaces, but I see all these spaces as a part of myself, which is a part of the whole thing, therefore I call it baggage. So a bad trip to me is just finding faults in one's own consciousness, because all of them are just projections of the self. Again, there is internalizing it and there is externalizing it, but really if you know that its all one big soup, then really what is the difference, other than semantics? -
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Fri, July 11, 2008 - 12:00 PMalli: Well then your bad trips must be vacations.
Sorry, you are mistaken. Your assumptions only reveal your own POV.
IMO, the spirit cannot be other than whole, by definition. Who is to say traumatic events and experiences aren't exactly the perfect expression of that moment in time? Our language splits things into positive and negative, but those are interpretation, and perhaps reality can be said to be bigger than what we think it is.
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Re: let the shrooms do their work
Fri, July 11, 2008 - 12:23 PMum...
and then what happens...?
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uh huh
Fri, July 11, 2008 - 12:53 PMOh, I am mistaken and you are correct, is that right?
Instead of trying to understand my views the first time around, you resort to dismissing them as "simplistic" or "tad moralistic".
You acknowledge the fallibility of communicating through words yet you seem to be stuck on them.
This "I am right you are wrong attitude" is simply what I am reflecting back to you.
Yes spirit is whole , humans in their present awareness are not... Or else why is there a you and a me.
You are right in saying that traumatic events and experiences are perfect in that moment of time, because they are happening... But it is only traumatic, if the perceiver considers it traumatic... Therefore we come back to my original statement that bad trips are due to a person's baggage. Who is having the bad trip? you or the universe? -
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Fri, July 11, 2008 - 1:06 PMI'm having the bad trip...
and it's the universe's fault...
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Fri, July 11, 2008 - 1:20 PMokay, so i did say spirit is trying to become whole... and now I am saying it is whole...
Go ahead, semantically crucify me. Here's a whip. I like it hard on me bum.
Clarification for the book keepers:
Well what I mean is that we are fragments of the one spirit that permeates everything.
so yeah, we are parts of the whole trying to become whole.
Orpheus, thats how I feel at times too. -
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Fri, July 11, 2008 - 1:24 PMit's not a feeling - it's a lucid analysis of available data...
and the mushrooms confirmed it... -
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Fri, July 11, 2008 - 1:39 PMwell, I hope your bad trip wears off soon...
and you can forgive the universe afterwards...
don't forget to thank the shrooms. -
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Fri, July 11, 2008 - 1:54 PMI still have a bunch of shrooms to munch away at sometime soon...
what exactly should I thank them for...?
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Fri, July 11, 2008 - 2:06 PMWell, everytime I go to shroomiverse I come back with something valuable,
so I am always grateful afterwards. I think having sincere gratitude is good to dwell on because it attracts spirits that are giving.
There are lots of beings out there that are willing to impart wisdom to the psychonaut... But they have to sift through the illusory tests, to prove that they are worthy of it. I have found that the best lessons come from the most horrifying entities.
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Re: uh huh
Fri, July 11, 2008 - 3:05 PMbut isn't that because the only lesson is that everything is horrible...? -
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the time is now
Fri, July 11, 2008 - 3:16 PMYes, everything is horrible... Great! This is the perfect mood for shrooming.
Now consume all of that (which you claim to have) tonight and go to bed with it.
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Fri, July 11, 2008 - 3:26 PMnah don't really feel like I could digest all those shrooms just now...
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Fri, July 11, 2008 - 3:39 PMToo bad. I find that to be the best remedy for such issues.
These notions should still be lingering in your subconscious by the time you take your next journey, so its all good.
You can run but you can't hide.
But not everyone is the same. I would not give this advice to a suicidal, for example.
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Fri, July 11, 2008 - 5:35 PMah if only there were a way to have nice trips...
if only there were some good magic out there...
if only there were some healing aswell as all the disease...
actually come to think of it pot kinda puts a nice "spiritual" spin on stuff...
I need to get some money and find some weed to take the edge off the tragedy... -
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Fri, July 11, 2008 - 6:31 PMnow your thinking, orpheus - pot's always a lady to me -
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Re: the time is now
Fri, July 11, 2008 - 6:51 PMyeah, the kind you want to flaunt and take to dinner!
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Re: uh huh
Fri, July 11, 2008 - 7:20 PMalli - You are mistaken in your statement that my bad trips are vacations. I was clearly responding to that particular sentence, so there's no need to argue over right and wrong - you are simply in no position to say what MY trips are like.
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Fri, July 11, 2008 - 11:53 PMI know *I'm* mistaken. Not every time I open my mouth, but most. -
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Re: uh huh
Fri, July 11, 2008 - 11:53 PMmore people need to be. Too many of us running around arrogant as shit.
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Re: let the shrooms do their work
Sun, July 13, 2008 - 7:56 AMright on, whether!
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Re: LSD after mushrooms bad trip
Sun, July 13, 2008 - 10:42 AMPlus the fun in that is just to set an intention that you will have a good time and NOT have a panic attack. There is still plenty of wide-open space for the LSD to create new paths and circuitry, but I think it is generally good, if you are experiencing fear, to create a good holographic image in your mind of you having a good experience before you embark on something.
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Sat, July 12, 2008 - 10:07 AMOP: Dont do it. Just kidding. How's that for mixed message? :)