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Today my daughter brought home from school a hardcopy of this document:
www.projectalert.com/Resourc...rugs.pdf
She was required to read it and now I'm required to sign it to send back to school with her. However, I can't do so without a certain sense of remorse at my coerced participation in the presentation of such a biased and mythological reality not only to my daughter, but to every child in our public school system!
Among the statements with which I guess I'm supposed to tacitly agree are the following:
"A person taking LSD or shooms (psychedelic mushrooms) may decide to step out of a third-story window because the ground looks so close or because the person thinks he or she can fly."
Isn't this just a perpetuation of the urban legend about Diane Linkletter?
www.snopes.com/horrors/dr...kletter.asp
The one that Art Linkletter used to persuade Richard Nixon to implement a crackdown on hallucinogens?
www.dailykos.com/story/200...154011/238
Is there any serious documentation that people using LSD or mushrooms have jumped out of windows thinking they can fly?
I'm considering writing a letter of complaint to the school, but I'm certain it will accomplish nothing more than to flag me as some kind of wacko and embarrass the hell out of my daughter. I feel like I need to disabuse my daughter of the misinformation being foisted on her in this document, but I don't think she's old enough to deal with the truth.
What's a dad to do?
www.projectalert.com/Resourc...rugs.pdf
She was required to read it and now I'm required to sign it to send back to school with her. However, I can't do so without a certain sense of remorse at my coerced participation in the presentation of such a biased and mythological reality not only to my daughter, but to every child in our public school system!
Among the statements with which I guess I'm supposed to tacitly agree are the following:
"A person taking LSD or shooms (psychedelic mushrooms) may decide to step out of a third-story window because the ground looks so close or because the person thinks he or she can fly."
Isn't this just a perpetuation of the urban legend about Diane Linkletter?
www.snopes.com/horrors/dr...kletter.asp
The one that Art Linkletter used to persuade Richard Nixon to implement a crackdown on hallucinogens?
www.dailykos.com/story/200...154011/238
Is there any serious documentation that people using LSD or mushrooms have jumped out of windows thinking they can fly?
I'm considering writing a letter of complaint to the school, but I'm certain it will accomplish nothing more than to flag me as some kind of wacko and embarrass the hell out of my daughter. I feel like I need to disabuse my daughter of the misinformation being foisted on her in this document, but I don't think she's old enough to deal with the truth.
What's a dad to do?
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Re: Ten Questions Teenagers Ask Most About Drugs
Thu, March 30, 2006 - 7:57 PMPut together a small packet of info along with a paper of your own and staple it to the propaganda. The only case I'm aware of when someone "jumped out a window" came via the CIA. -
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Thu, March 30, 2006 - 8:44 PMNow I'm confused. That handout said ecstacy suppresses thirst, which leads to hyperthermia. But then it says that ecstacy leads to overhydration which harms the body... I'm glad I learned about "drugs" from first hand experience, else I might have been totally confused from propaganda. -
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Fri, March 31, 2006 - 7:01 AM"else I might have been totally confused from propaganda."
That's the entire point, it's what they want. Most antidrug nuts don't have the tiniest clue what they are talking about.
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Sat, April 1, 2006 - 10:07 AM"Now I'm confused. That handout said ecstacy suppresses thirst, which leads to hyperthermia. But then it says that ecstacy leads to overhydration which harms the body... I'm glad I learned about "drugs" from first hand experience, else I might have been totally confused from propaganda."
I would've asked if they even proofread their propaganda, and then made a point about how literacy and writing skills are circling the drain on a national basis.
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Thu, March 30, 2006 - 8:58 PMAccording to the following document;
www.mindmined.com/public_li...earch.html
"In November of 1953, the first LSD-related death occurred. There is little doubt that the suicide of Dr. Frank Olson is the origin of the popular myth that people who take LSD are likely to jump from windows. Olson was unwittingly dosed with LSD during a three-day work retreat for CIA and Army technicians in the backwoods of Maryland. Olson, who had never ingested drugs before, was upset that he had been given LSD against his will. He became very withdrawn and depressed under the influence of the powerful substance and remained so after its effects subsided. When Olson returned home from the retreat he asked his boss to fire him, claiming that his behavior had ruined the LSD experiment that his colleagues had undertaken the preceding weekend. Three weeks later, Olson jumped head first through a closed window, falling ten stories to the pavement below."
Note that Olson's jump came three weeks after he was dosed. It may have been this story that persuaded Linkletter that LSD was the reason for his daughter's suicide. The rest is history.
For the full dirty story of what the CIA did to destroy a life and a family of a loyal employee, check out the Frank Olson Legacy Project: www.frankolsonproject.org
It's sad that this story has become part of nationwide anti-drug propaganda.
"Over the past 5 years, the number of LSD-related hospital emergencies has been approximately 4000 per year."
www.emedicine.com/PED/topic2809.htm
That doesn't seem like a lot to me. The DEA's own website on LSD use says that "over the past 5 years, the number of LSD-related hospital emergencies has not exceeded 3,900 in any given year"
www.fas.org/irp/agency/d...lsd/lsd-7.htm
Note that this is quite different from "approximately 4000 per years". There are three types of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics...
The eMedicine website also says, "Generally, LSD-related deaths result from behavioral toxicity. An LSD user, for instance, was killed when he attempted to stop a train barehanded." However, google searches suggest this incident is attributed to both PCP and LSD, which leads me to wonder if it isn't also an urban legend. Anyone know the facts about the "stop a train barehanded" story? (My google search on the phrase only turned up seven hits, none of them helpful, while the variation "stop a train bare handed" came up with only four, also useless.)
Something tells me the story about trainstopping is as bogus as the one about flying.
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Thu, March 30, 2006 - 7:58 PMJust thought I'd add: You have to remember that most amerikans are about as smart and easily manipulated as sheep. It's sad but it's true. Don't be a lamb, be a lion.
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Thu, March 30, 2006 - 8:00 PMBy the way, Project ALERT appears to be a well-funded and highly effective propaganda campaign aimed at American schoolchildren. Checi out their website:
ww.projectalert.com
Did you know that "You Don't Have To Be A Drug Expert To Be A Great Project ALERT Teacher"?
www.projectalert.com/Resourc...on't.pdf
"Information-only curricula have been shown to be ineffective, but clearly, some drug information is necessary and helpful."
Is there a truthful typo (as well as poor use of commas) in that sentence?
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Thu, March 30, 2006 - 8:46 PMWell since prohibition worked so wonderfully with alcohol, I don't see why it won't work with "drugs". :) -
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Thu, March 30, 2006 - 9:03 PMThe "War on Drugs" resulted in more drugs. Something tells me the "War on Terror" will have a similar effect. -
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Thu, March 30, 2006 - 10:22 PMInsightful thought, Hoopes. I haven't thought about the wholething in that matter. -
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Fri, March 31, 2006 - 10:31 AMI saw a commercial the other day that said-"if your child starts using marijuana during there high school years, they are more likely to fail by 75%"
Well if you ask me, the proof is in the pudding. Here is a plant that as humans we have had a relationship with for around 200 thousand years. And a educational institute that is roughly 120 years old.......and it doesnt take a genius to see that the education system is HORRIBLE. They make it look like the institution is the pinacle of your childs development.
I was one of those statistics, my grades went thru the floor when I started using plant teachers to further my education, I was learning galactic knowledge of the universe instead of how many pepsi cans it takes to build a career.
As far as im concerned, when your child reaches the age of 15, have them write their high-school equivilance test and keep them out of there.
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Fri, March 31, 2006 - 10:38 AMAre there ramifications for not signing, or could you simply sign "under protest" if you are coerced into signing off. Another tactic could be for you to not sign it and attach a letter stating that you used the opportunity to share other resources/books/etc. to have a discussion with your daughter.
Or sign off on it, and attach materials with give a more balanced/enlightened view on the subject, or a bibliography of relevant books. -
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Fri, March 31, 2006 - 10:58 AMThe legal term is N/A U.T.D.C. "not applicable, under threat, duress or coercion." -
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Fri, March 31, 2006 - 11:06 AMYeah, I would sign either Under Duress, or Without Recourse
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Fri, March 31, 2006 - 8:51 PMI'm in the process of collecting some information to put together a packet of material to give to the counselor at the school. I just learned today that my daughter's been getting a dose of this propaganda from a visiting teacher (trained in the program) every other week for several months. The principal focus has been on alcohol and tobacco, but the tone of what was being said about hallucinogens is what put me over the edge. I'd appreciate any pointers to resources I should include that will not make me seem like a creep. (My daughter is leaving this school in a couple of months, but my son will be there for a few years still.)
I can't help but think of the wisdom of the late great Bill Hicks: "How about a positive LSD story? Wouldn't that be news-worthy, just the once? To base your decision on information rather than scare tactics and superstition and lies? I think it would be news-worthy.” and "“If you don't think drugs have done good things for us, then take all of your records, tapes and CD's and burn them."
The kids who are getting the LSD myths about jumping out of windows also need to be taught about Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band. Erowid's got a whole long list of famous people who took drugs--most of whom didn't go crazy or die from an overdose.
www.erowid.org/culture/ch...g_use.shtml
The kids who are getting the bullshit propaganda also need to learn about Bill Gates and Steve Jobs, not to mention Michel Foucault.
It's the book of Genesis all over again:
"And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat: But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die" (Genesis 2:16-17).
Well, neither Adam nor Eve died the day they ate the fruit.
"And all the days that Adam lived were nine hundred and thirty years: and he died" (Genesis 5:5).
I guess that makes God a liar, too.
My daughter's not ready to get the whole story yet, but my wife did discuss with her the fact that the two of us have smoked pot together on many occasions. Now I'm pissed off that my daughter is being taught at school that her parents are stupid and evil and to be pitied for their bad decisions. It almost makes me want to homeschool! -
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Fri, March 31, 2006 - 9:03 PMBy the way, in my searching I came across this interesting piece about LSD and the Beatles:
www.weeklystandard.com/Conten...rel.asp
Apparently, John Lennon denied that "Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds" was about LSD.
He said, "I saw Mel Tormé introducing a Lennon-McCartney show, saying how 'Lucy In The Sky With Diamonds' was about LSD. It never was, and nobody believes me. I swear to God, or swear to Mao, or to anybody you like, I had no idea it spelt LSD. This is the truth: My son [Julian, who was 3] came home with a drawing and showed me this strange-looking woman flying around. I said, 'What is it?' and he said, 'It's Lucy in the sky with diamonds,' and I thought, 'That's beautiful.'" Lennon goes on to imply that "the girl with kaleidoscope eyes is Yoko Ono" and says "It's not an acid song."
See also www.snopes.com/music/hidden/lucysky.htm
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Re: Ten Questions Teenagers Ask Most About Drugs
Fri, March 31, 2006 - 11:12 AMI think the correct answer is "Drugs can do all that bad stuff when you're young and you don't know how to use them correctly, but when you're older i'll teach you about some of the good things they can do." -
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Fri, March 31, 2006 - 10:13 PMthou, being care free as a youngster sure does have its bonus when tripping and navigating those realms. -
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Fri, March 31, 2006 - 10:46 PM" The "War on Drugs" resulted in more drugs. Something tells me the "War on Terror" will have a similar effect."
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Sat, April 1, 2006 - 4:11 PMIt being more and more in the popular imagination via mass-media (some would say with over-kill to bring forth certain agenda) , it self replicates in the public domain thru coversation and interest, Having it focussed on creates manifestations in the 3rd demesion.
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Sat, April 1, 2006 - 4:30 PMSome people say the Taoist were the esoteric anarchists of ancient China. -
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Wed, April 19, 2006 - 10:29 PMHoopes: Have you looked into safety1st.org/ It's a"reality-based approach to teens, drugs, and drug education" It's pretty interesting... just a thought! :)
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Fri, April 21, 2006 - 7:39 PMI have 3 boys---6,9, and 11. There is a drug program in their schoo(D.A.R.E.) --they tell me what thet are learning and I tell them the truth. I make it all age appropriate---and let them know some drugs take without giving back and they are bad(heroin and cocain). I tell them about caffeine, nicotene and the things the doctor prescribes. I teach them that every food consumed has a spirit and an effect. They also know everyone doesn't hold these beliefs. They are aware of drugs and the different classifications. Honesty is always the best approach, they know when they're being lied too.
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Thu, November 10, 2011 - 6:30 PMWow, this was posted in 2006. My daughter in middle school just came home with this exact worksheet/handout. I for one will not be answering any of these questions for the most part because they are inappropriate for an 11 year old and because the info is incorrect.
The answers on this handout were provided by someone who has never used drugs. The "it can" answer to most of the questions really means "probably wont" but a child of 11 years can't do the translation like i can. So for this reason it is designed to brainwash the child. Well not mine, she will not be returning this back to school i will send a note to the teacher (and the Principle) to stop all drug related education of my child. Just as they should not be pushing any religious propaganda this propaganda is equally harmful. There are only two people qualified to teach my daughter about the danger of drugs and alcohol and those are her parents. -
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Sat, November 12, 2011 - 9:47 PMThere are only two people qualified to teach my daughter about the danger of drugs and alcohol and those are her parents.
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Re: Ten Questions Teenagers Ask Most About Drugs
Sun, January 1, 2012 - 4:24 AMThere was supposedly a teenage girl in Amsterdam a few years ago, who jumped out a window after ingesting
Psilocybin mushrooms.
I personally knew of someone who jumped out of a window on STP (DOM), but it was an intentional suicide. I knew
of a 2nd person who committed suicide after ingesting blotter LSD.
I think it's more likely that someone will commit suicide than that they would think that they can fly.
Being more conscious of the world is not a pretty sight.
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