Scientifically controlled tests of magnetically altered water demonstrate a potentiation of glutamate decarboxylase which is probably the primary route to psychoactivity via pineal and pituitary gland stimulation. I have several self-styled shaman friends who love this simply made stuff for inducing altered states. It most obviously boosts melatonin and serotonin but also probably increases pinoline and other glandular goodies. The gultamate decarboxylase study is further linked at the end of my article.
www.subtleenergies.com/ormus/...ion.htm
The "trap water" phenomenon is sister to the "Orme" or orbitally rearranged monatomic element subject that is described in detail here:
www.subtleenergies.com/ormus/index.htm
Within the master site there is another earlier device I made:
www.subtleenergies.com/ormus/...rap.htm
The two primary Yahoo groups devoted to the subject are below:
tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/ORMUS_SWG/
tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/ORMUS/
www.subtleenergies.com/ormus/...ion.htm
The "trap water" phenomenon is sister to the "Orme" or orbitally rearranged monatomic element subject that is described in detail here:
www.subtleenergies.com/ormus/index.htm
Within the master site there is another earlier device I made:
www.subtleenergies.com/ormus/...rap.htm
The two primary Yahoo groups devoted to the subject are below:
tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/ORMUS_SWG/
tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/ORMUS/
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Re: Entheogens from water
Sat, June 21, 2008 - 7:10 AMHere are the links again without the "http" prefix which tribe.net can't seem to handle without mangling the url:
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Sat, June 21, 2008 - 7:59 AM"Here are the links again without the "http" prefix which tribe.net can't seem to handle without mangling the url: "
The problem is not the prefix... it's that you are cutting and pasting from other tribe.net posts. You have to enter the full URL each time. This links are also screwed. -
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Sat, June 21, 2008 - 10:17 AMI am not cutting and pasting from other tribe.net posts.
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Sat, June 21, 2008 - 10:21 AMThese links with "http" left off seem to work fine. I do not cut amd paste these links from other tribe.net posts. These are all links kept in my favorites folder resident on my PC.
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Sat, June 21, 2008 - 7:12 AMThe "ormus" community is quite large. There is a database of user reports that argues pretty strongly against placebo effect. In my own experience, a big contraindication for administering magnetically altered water is if the user is also taking SSRI's. The two "subjects" who did try the water while on such medication had a fairly scarey adverse reaction - blood pressure spikes, disorientation, mental confusion which lasted for around two hours. Some people also experience insomnia.
There are user reports appearing on the Yahoo ormus forums about mitigation of diabetes symptoms among ormus users. These users report reduction or elimination of diabetic medications after only a few days of ormus use. Users with less chronic blood sugar problems also report a lessening of symptoms.
The acid disaggregated platinum group metals may be a different kettle of fish fron the magnetically altered water. Monatomic platinum group metals are not unknown to orthodox science although claims to superconductivity by be exaggerated or premature. Theoretically, superconductivity is not a prerequisite for biological activity though some researchers get hung up on that. There are a few bona fide scientists hanging aroud the Yahoo Ormus SWG forum who study it mostly for its potential as a room temperature superconductor. The most notable is Mike Halat who runs a company called Omega Bio-Tek, Inc.
My own current pet theory is that the monatomic (or probabaly diatomic) PGM elements are just catalysts for the creation of unusual hydrogen species which are the real meatebolic "players" in the physiology. Magnetically altered water may simply "cut to the chase" as regards the creation of this hydrogen.
This is a large subject. You can't just glance at it and appreciate how fascinatiing and potentially important is it.
If you would like to try some magnetically altered water run through my own "bubbler" process, I would be haapy to send you some for free. I will be out of town this coming week, but after that I could send you some.
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Sat, June 21, 2008 - 8:02 AM"There is a database of user reports that argues pretty strongly against placebo effect. "
Yet, so far, I haven't seen any real argument that these are entheogens. Healthy, weird, unexplained, etc.... but not entheogens. Perhaps you could a) look up the word, and b) focus on that for us here and tell us exactly how you believe these are entheogens or otherwise relate to the concept of psychonauts? Otherwise, c) it's monatomic spam. -
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Sat, June 21, 2008 - 9:51 AM"An entheogen, in the strictest sense, is a psychoactive substance used in a religious or shamanic context. Entheogens generally come from plant sources which contain molecules closely related to endogenous neurochemicals" Wiki
As I pointed out it is probable that both magnetically altered water and orme's spike melatonin and serotonin at the very least. Od'ing on the stuff often puts people to sleep. Melatonin and serotonin are endogenous chemicals. As for "context" I personally use both magnetically altered water and the acid disaggregated PGM powders to induce deep meditative states. So do a few of my friends. Whether or not that qualifies as shamanic might get us into a sticky and needless semantic debate. I think that these substances might also have value used together with some of the plant based entheogens.
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Sat, June 21, 2008 - 12:37 PM"Melatonin and serotonin are endogenous chemicals. As for "context" I personally use both magnetically altered water and the acid disaggregated PGM powders to induce deep meditative states."
Okay... so you induce altered states with the stuff? That makes a little more sense. I was getting a little confused about superconduction and cures for diabetes quite fit in with psychonautics. Thanks for explaining. Perhaps you could tell us a little more about these deep meditative states? Does everyone experience these after ingesting the stuff? Or do you sit and meditate? Is the effect dependent on set and setting? What's an effective psychoactive dose? What's the dose that puts you to sleep? -
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Sat, June 21, 2008 - 1:27 PMSince I am scrambling to get my affairs in order prior to leaving town tomorrow let me just give you a link to Keith Perry's site. He makes similar water but charges mucho bucks for it. My devices can make water of equal strength for pennies, but Keith has a good description of the phenomenon in general. Keith introduces a lot of shall we say mysticism to the subject, but people who get quite ripped on the stuff can be forgiven for bringing their own personal overlay to the trip. As an NLP dude I'm sure you can understand that part. You might notice that on Keith's site I am one of the "endorsers" in the testimonials section of his site - under name E.M. Long. It was keith's stuff 3 years ago that inspired me to experiment with devices before fianlly landing on some that did the trick. Keith would never tell people how he made the stuff, but it was so much more powerful than the regular fare made with the traditional traps that it was a big hit with users.
www.ausomewater.com/
www.subtleenergies.com/ormus/tw/reports.htm (User reports - trap water, sea water lye processed, and white powder gold)
www.subtleenergies.com/ormus/tw...ation.htm
The reason some people react and some not may be linked to a GAD1 > GABA metabolic defect. That same defect could be a characteristic of people seeking altered states in general.
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1289564
www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/55050.php
But it could be something else:
www.subtleenergies.com/ormus/tw...rence.htm
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Sun, June 22, 2008 - 2:05 PMwow, this sounds like a magic place we go, when we take a placebo, receptive water laced with lots o' love. hahaeaehae. I really want to try this
parlay
i have requests:
-PLease post how to make techniques tips materials and directions so we all may start replacing our heavy psychadelic addictions, and start empowering more efficiently
-also if anyone knows, how does one become a member of the native american church?
-and unconditional love, which ironically doesnt require any-thing but is a means and attitude towards an END.
I love the idea of only haveing to drink water to Exponentially magnify ones own entheogenic expirience. it reminds me of jhon the baptist baptising jesus with ormus made from magic. drink this wine in honor of me made from ormus water fermented with kombucha T.M. if leary had ormus he wouldnt have died. if jesus only had LSD he would have gone egotistically insane. if BUddha had ormus he would have been more of an activist jesus, but he had hemp, so he sat.
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Sun, June 29, 2008 - 12:47 AMno to him that was as bad as the temple prostitutes his dad was always talking shit on
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Tue, June 24, 2008 - 12:52 PMi had no problem getting to the site,
I am determining the best way to undertake this experiment. Going to try the distilled water method first.
do you have any information of the prolonged attribute/ effects on the mood, physical, and physiological states?
meaning, what have you witnessed from an individual standpoint?
however, minute, the change in reaction, or expression. (particularly moods swings, anxiety, other un-aligned vehicles, existing as (radicals in the body/mind)
read 3 articles on the subject, realize the importance of the slow increase of alkalinity and the caution needing to be regarded during heating heating and transferring stages of the substance, also the importance of proper lab material,
there was the personal message of the man when he was eight,, but what has it done for him in later stages of life?
yeah maybe I should just find out... to whom ever feels like combating me with that.
Enliven me.
Thank you
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Re: Entheogens from water
Tue, June 24, 2008 - 1:04 PMok answered some of my own questions,
but if you want to share your experience, I welcome it..
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Re: Entheogens from water
Sat, June 28, 2008 - 7:37 AMMy latest devices can be seen here:
tech.ph.groups.yahoo.com/group...e/2b0f
You will have to join the Yahoo group to access them. These photos are linked to explanatory messages in the group messages folder. If you really want to do it right these simple devices will take you there.
Bo Long
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Thu, July 3, 2008 - 11:16 AM
