Nice people take drugs

topic posted Tue, June 9, 2009 - 4:11 AM by  Geert
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British Drug law and policy organisation ‘Release’ has recently launched a new campaign that kicks off with an attention-grabbing bus poster. Busses will be driving around London with a banner on it that says: Nice people take drugs.

Release hopes their campaign will start a debate about the kind of drug policy the country wants to see. It has become clear that the ‘war on drugs’ has failed and many believe a different – safer – policy is needed. Harm reduction and decriminalisation have proven to be much more effective than simply banning substances and arresting people who use them. Release’s Sebastian Saville argues that:

“the constant association by politicians and the media of drugs with words like evil and shame simply does not reflect most people’s experience of drugs. The public is tired of the artificial representation of drugs in society, which is not truthful about the fact that all sorts of people use drugs. If we are to have a fair and effective drug policy, it must be premised on this reality first and foremost.”

www.guardian.co.uk/society/...s-do-work
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Geert
Netherlands
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  • Re: Nice people take drugs

    Tue, June 9, 2009 - 6:35 AM
    nice people don't exist and everybody is on drugs...

    so basically everybody is a nutjob on drugs...

    imho that is the slogan they should use...

    "you're all evil nutjobs on drugs"... :)
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      Tue, June 9, 2009 - 6:56 AM
      good morning to you
      good morning to you
      we're all in our places
      with bright shining faces
      and this is the way
      we start our new day ...

      O that's so nice
    • Re: Nice people take drugs

      Tue, June 9, 2009 - 6:58 AM
      Orpheus..
      Your "Everything is evil and everybody hates me" speech is getting boring...
      Do something about it or shut it please...
      Your ways are tiresome and add nothing.
      Don't take that wrong...
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        Tue, June 9, 2009 - 7:05 AM
        well if it bothers you...

        then you do something about it...

        maybe you could make counter claims...?
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          Tue, June 9, 2009 - 7:13 AM
          I understand where you are coming from Orpheus...
          And in a way I sympathize...
          Sometimes the world is a dark place...
          But the beauty lies in the little things..
          In good wine.. in art.. in people...
          It takes work to make something beautiful of it..
          ANd that is the truth.. you should make your life beautiful...
          Keep in control.
          To live your life, and not 'be' lived...
          Even from the darkest cracks of hell you can start...
          It takes work, patience and commitment..
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            Tue, June 9, 2009 - 7:20 AM
            no for orpheus probably going to need some serious medications - careful, thoughtful regime of antidepressants combined with supportive talk therapy for a while - this kind of thing is mainly biochemical - so you have to fight fire with fire, as the shaman would say, poison with poison!

            i've had whale-shit-at-the-bottom-of-the-ocean depression and words bounce off of it like water off a ducks back .... seriously mixed that metaphor
            • Re: Nice people take drugs

              Tue, June 9, 2009 - 7:27 AM
              um...

              like I said...

              nutjobs on drugs...

              and lunatics running the asylum... hahaha
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                Tue, June 9, 2009 - 7:52 AM
                anyway...

                "nice people take drugs"

                well that kinda does underline a kinda truth...

                I mean who could not like pretty educated middle/upper class youth getting off on some top of the range recreation and some rich old opium eating aesthete mystics...?

                but my luvverly little slogan...

                "evil nutjobs on drugs"

                well this might open the field for some critical thinking... hahaha

                so whereas we might like the opportunity for some high class masseuses as personal trainers expertly administering stress relieving doses of life enhancing chakral thirdeye opening medication - do we really want the local crackhead dealers siring a zillion criminally insane kiddies on 12 year old addict girls etc...?

                if you've got an the elephant in the room maybe feeding it a ton of beer and vindaloo and amphetamines isn't necessarily the nicest way forward...

                or maybe it is...

                maybe it all depends on where you're sitting I guess... hahaha
            • Re: Nice people take drugs

              Tue, June 9, 2009 - 7:41 AM
              If you got some fire left in you, fuel it with beauty..
              For a cynic like Orpheus it is hard..
              He sees structures of the world but he denies himself a beautiful role in it...
              It probably is a lack of confidence.. an angst for the unknown...
              A strange form of self-hatred which fuses a lust for destruction...
              He doesn't allow himself to grow..
              What he's got works.. allthough it doesn't work as good as it could be...
              Still he finds righteousness in his own words. because he has not experienced the beauty that life can give and be..

              I don't know...
              Everybody struggles.. Everybody feels pain..
              In the end you gotta grab yourself by the neck and get out there..
              Face the world... you can do it....
              Im no psychologist ... But I found that if you start caring..the world will care back...
              If you just don't care anymore.. the world is a dark lonely place..
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                Tue, June 9, 2009 - 7:54 AM
                see I think it's more biological than that - probably "cynics" are born not made - think of it, we evolved in tribes - small groups of 25-50 individuals - and what if all the individuals in the tribe wear unbearable optimists? Might lead the tribe, and all the individuals in the tribe and all their potential for procreation right to their doom. I think our social stucture includes biological cynics breed right into our social structure. This creates an important group balance - key is that it is biological - not so nuts bees do it, why not us? Some are born conservatives, some born liberals, some born optimistic and some pessimistic.
                Remember nature doesn't much care about any consequences to the individual.
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                  Tue, June 9, 2009 - 7:59 AM
                  No one is born conservative, no one is born liberal

                  this is brainwash
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                    Tue, June 9, 2009 - 8:15 AM
                    actually there is evidence for this now - an inclination to either support the status quo or challenge the status quo, at its heart - doesn't so much matter what the status quo is, those born to support it will do whether they are born in America, China or Communist Soviet Russia

                    this inclination could easily be extrapolated into what goes in America as Democratic and Republican - everyone thinking they are "human" and somehow not bound by the same laws of nature as any other animal on the planet, that they "believe" in this or that while in reality we are merely surfing the waves of own biochemistry
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                      Tue, June 9, 2009 - 8:30 AM
                      well the bipolar system of democratic process is kinda absurd but they reckon it's functional as the best from a bunch of bad options...

                      my own take is it's all about denial...

                      denial is niceness...

                      I mean the truth isn't nice so there is a need for the infinite mass of moronic PR distractions to exist to smoothe it over...

                      www.youtube.com/watch



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                        Re: Nice people take drugs

                        Tue, June 9, 2009 - 8:33 AM
                        THE truth?
                        your truth isn't nice,
                        [it blows, but it makes me laugh]
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                          Tue, June 9, 2009 - 9:03 AM
                          ah...

                          blessed are the blissfilled...

                          those fortunate enough to wallow in their daily prescriptions of joyful plenitude...

                          those enlightened expansive souls that can take solace in the mirth to be gleaned from the misfortunes of others.... hahaha
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                            Tue, June 9, 2009 - 9:06 AM
                            on the contrary, misfortune of others only recalls my own misfortunes - hardly funny

                            but each of us could only arrive here and now via the path we took, misfortunes and all
                            • Re: Nice people take drugs

                              Tue, June 9, 2009 - 9:15 AM
                              the misfortunes stuff was just a bit of sarcasm addressed at metatron... hahaha
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                                Tue, June 9, 2009 - 9:18 AM
                                thing is that everything and everyone is perfect right now always has been perfect and always will be perfect - such a relief! Whew

                                now i can surf the waves of my own biology in peace ...
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                                  Tue, June 9, 2009 - 9:48 AM
                                  absolutely...

                                  gimme a kilo or three of medicinal mj and cable tv and central heating and a nicely stocked freezer and let the pretty princesses come and wake me up with kisses after the apocalypse... :)
                                  • Re: Nice people take drugs

                                    Tue, June 9, 2009 - 9:54 AM
                                    Television is the biggest addiction of all addictions..
                                    Everybody's hooked... And feeding of the lies and cheap entertainment..
                                    Everyone is better of throwing that box out the window...
                                    Instead of filling their minds with bullshit that doesn't matter in a lifetime..
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                                      Wed, June 10, 2009 - 6:30 AM
                                      TV is part of our collective dialogue, our shared experience. Some of it is quite worthwhile. The FOX show Fringe makes frequent mention and use of psychedelics, and Weeds on SHOWTIME is thriving on a tale of cannabis distribution. True Blood on HBO uses the metaphor of vampire blood - "V" - to explore the implications of ecstatic, entheogenic, and also somewhat dangerous and illegal substances. Nice people on drugs watch TV. :D
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                                        Wed, June 10, 2009 - 7:01 AM
                                        imagination is perhaps the most wonderful lesson of this world - what a beautiful lesson imagination is for an eternal being! I like Fringe, too.
                                        it is not imaginative TV productions that are the problem - the problem is the way TV is used as a drug to narcotize the populace so that we do not grasp the fact that a big dick is right up our ass! And the way TV promotes consumerism as a modern day religion that offers we masses nothing but useless lies and manipulations
                      • Re: Nice people paint it black...

                        Tue, June 9, 2009 - 8:38 AM
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                          Re: Nice people paint it black...

                          Tue, June 9, 2009 - 9:07 AM
                          Thank you Johnny NIce Painter - I laughed so hard that I almost choked to death!

                          I think he may have been my biological father?
                          • Re: Nice people paint it black...

                            Tue, June 9, 2009 - 9:34 AM
                            well johnny nice painter is a bit of a classic and there's more than a grain of "truth" in that sketch... hahaha

                            imho he merits his own pavilion at the venice biennale...

                            I went to a kind of village open art festival at the weekend and the work was kinda in a range from the grunge and graffiti of local angry druggy postpunk pseudo urban kiddies to rich retired expat watercolours etc...

                            kinda made me feel like a zillion times blacker than sweet mr. nice painter... hahaha

                            And it's in Kilkenny it is supposed
                            Where the marble stones are as black as ink,
                            With gold and silver I will support you,
                            And I will sing no more 'till I get a drink;
                            I am always drunk and seldom sober,
                            Constantly roving from town to town;
                            Now when I'm dead and my days are over,
                            Come, Molly, a stór, and lay me down.

                • Re: Nice people take drugs

                  Tue, June 9, 2009 - 8:09 AM
                  I'd agree that both nature and nurture should be considered...

                  there is the "tribal" thing about conforming etc...

                  kinda like localising their identity etc...

                  that's the way people are...

                  although the bonding factors might vary a bit...


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        Tue, June 9, 2009 - 7:07 AM
        orpheus is soaking up the lesson of this world, this reality

        here we perfect beings knowing no such things as separation, beginning or end, suffering, hate - indeed, even evil! This world where the wolf eats the caribou alive teaches we beings wholly of love and bliss all the harsh lessons as well as the sweet potentials of this physicality

        but here and now is real enough and creating is always better than destroying, loving better than hating, accepting better than judging - these are the lessons also of this world - the lessons an eternal being perhaps needs to learn since an eternal is nothing other than a God - ha ha ha

        orpheus the God think of that?
  • Re: Nice people take drugs

    Wed, June 10, 2009 - 8:25 AM
    Seems like the televison set is pushing marijuana these days. The mari-Huana high renders many people the perfect "viewer" laughing at if not with dumb TV stuff while eating junk food. There is method in that madness.
    • Re: Nice people take drugs

      Wed, June 10, 2009 - 10:22 AM
      give the people what they want.....
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          • Re: Nice people take drugs

            Thu, June 11, 2009 - 3:33 AM
            Nice video Geert, but maybe a little dated. Its true that as long as commercials pay the bills, network TV is heavily controlled by what attracts consumers and sells products. But cable changes things, especially the premium channels, and PBS of course. A lot of the comedy is downright subversive - Jon Stewart, Stepehn Colbert, Bill Mahr, etc. There's a whole channel of Left-leaning news coverage (MSNBC). And TV played a vital role in putting a black man in the White House. Ultimately, I think, the Revolution *will* be televised, whether people are getting the feed on TV's, computers, cell phones, whatever. Its a whole different animal these days. Much more diversity and freedom of expression.

            Entheogens are making inroads, too. There are more and more positive references - in dramas (I mentioned Fringe and True Blood), comedy monologues, and animated series like "The Simpsons". Penetrating popular culture this way can only be good for our cause. I live in California, and the situation with medical marijuana is truly heartening. The medicine IS available to people, legally and fairly easily. So the precedent is there, to reverse the prohibition of healing plants, fungi, and derivatives thereof. All we need is public opinion to shift our way, and at this point I see TV as helping this along.

            Imagine a world where the human race, by and large, had access to the psychedelics. I believe that would be a much better place, don't you? Maybe TV can help to make it happen.

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