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Hi I just got a shipment of ephedra powdered plant and I was wondering what the best extraction method was. So far I just did a soak in isopropyl alcohol then filtered it and now I'm letting the alcohol evaporate. So do you guys think that would extract the alkaloids?
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Re: Ephedra Alkaloids??
Thu, July 2, 2009 - 9:38 AMYes it would, but isoproply is nasty stuff and may leave toxic residues, especially if it was from a bottle you bought in the supermarket or pharmacy, not lab grade. Use ETHANOL for your extractions. -
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Thu, July 2, 2009 - 10:44 AMBut the ingredients on the bottle are only isopropyl alcohol and water, so it shouldn't leave behind residue as long as I let it all evaporate right? -
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Thu, July 2, 2009 - 2:05 PMThat was entirely unnecessary. All you had to do was boil it in water, or even just take a capsule of the powder and drink it will some hot tea. When you use isopropyl alcohol you are taking a gamble. If it boils off, great. If you leave any behind you can seriously hurt yourself. Also, ephedra is strong stuff. A little goes a long way. And overdose can easily lead to vascular crisis and death.
The powder should be used for capsules and you will get an effect just from chewing on the stem without the application of heat or strong solvents. If you want to make a tea, use maybe a teaspoon or tablespoon of the dried sticks, depending on potency, and add hot water for some tea. American Ephedra or Mormon tea is a lot weaker, and ephedra grown in the desert is stronger than ephedra grown in wetter environments. The dry thick woody epehdra is more potent than the stringy green moist stuff.
It just occurred to me that there could be another reason for wanting a more pure extract.....do your homework before attempting anything too crazy -
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Thu, July 2, 2009 - 2:22 PMI just wanted to make a more potent extract from it that's all and Ive read a bunch of stuff on it and this seemed like the only way I could extract the alkaloids at my house. -
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Thu, July 2, 2009 - 2:27 PMI believe you.
You dont really need to make ephedra more potent though. Its already potent enough to keep you up for days straight just making a simple hot water extraction or taking the powder in capsule form with some warm ginger tea.
You dont need to combine it with other stimulants, though you can get a nice aphrodisiac effect from combining it with Damiana. You can also add rose petals for flavor and aroma, or lemongrass if you want to slightly reduce vaso-constriction (dont count on it to save you from overdose). It can also be good with Sida Cordifolia which also has ephedrine alkaloids but some different properties and is more mild. I think adding caffeine would be overkill though.
Avoid chocolate and MAO inhibitors. Hydrate yourself well. It makes you pee and sweat a lot and you might not notice thirst. -
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Thu, July 2, 2009 - 3:08 PMHey thanks for the info but I already did the extraction :(
do you think I should smoke it or take it like a pill? -
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Thu, July 2, 2009 - 4:48 PMI think you would have to make a freebase to smoke it. That is the kind of thing where you should really know what you are doing. If you have to come online to ask for directions then I would probably not attempt it.
If it were me, I would just order a new bag of ephedra twigs and make a tea out of it. Its a lot easier to judge the potency that way. Ephedra is one of the more dangerous natural drugs. Not Datura dangerous, but up there. -
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Thu, July 2, 2009 - 7:14 PMI only have a little bit of powder left maybe 20 grams or less, how much should I put in tea? -
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Re: Ephedra Alkaloids??
Thu, July 2, 2009 - 7:24 PMStart with 1 gram and see how you feel in an hour. That should give you an idea of what to expect at higher doses. -
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Thu, July 2, 2009 - 7:39 PMOkay
Do you know how to make it into freebase? -
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Re: Ephedra Alkaloids??
Fri, July 3, 2009 - 12:57 AMRED FLAG!!! DING DING DING!!!!!
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Fri, July 3, 2009 - 8:35 AMI think you should throw the extract you made. It is potentially toxic. -
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Re: Ephedra Alkaloids??
Fri, July 3, 2009 - 11:37 AMA long time ago in a galaxy far away I used to gather horsetail from the margins of Lake Travis in Texas. Split the stems and boil for tea. One could get one's self in trouble with that tea if one were not careful. -
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Re: Ephedra Alkaloids??
Fri, July 3, 2009 - 1:12 PMEphedra is totally legal for personal use. Converting it into an amphetamine is not.
My advice is just to throw away that mixture you made and buy some twigs for ephedra tea. Its plenty strong for personal use.
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Thu, July 9, 2009 - 8:38 AMA friend has ephedra growing on his land in NW Texas. Twas quite nice to throw in some fresh leaves with the coffee and mate in the morning... Delicious flavor and definately some extra zing, even for someone who drinks as much coffee as myself. -
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Re: Ephedra Alkaloids??
Thu, July 9, 2009 - 11:40 AMHa ha ha ha ha'
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CRANK
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