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a fairly mild LSD experience out in the wilderness at an early age allowing me to see organically, wholistically?
later i had other entheogen based life changing experiences but i was thinking that even if I had had only the one life changing experience of identifying the veins in the back of my own hand with the veins in a leaf and understanding at that inner level that everything really is one ...
and with entheogens experiences they are "real experience" to me and I think this is a key to how these substances "work" - it is one thing to hear the very good and sound advice of: Be Here Be Now but quite another to be here and be now and that is what these substances allow - a direct experience of reality beyond the filters of body, ego and this physical reality
later i had other entheogen based life changing experiences but i was thinking that even if I had had only the one life changing experience of identifying the veins in the back of my own hand with the veins in a leaf and understanding at that inner level that everything really is one ...
and with entheogens experiences they are "real experience" to me and I think this is a key to how these substances "work" - it is one thing to hear the very good and sound advice of: Be Here Be Now but quite another to be here and be now and that is what these substances allow - a direct experience of reality beyond the filters of body, ego and this physical reality
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Re: LSD - A Decisive Life Changer
Sat, October 24, 2009 - 1:50 PMMy experiences with LSD were all beautiful. Some were more joyful and exhilirating than others, which were sometimes quiet and deep. LSD affirmed to me that the Universe is a wild, vast and mysterious place of power, intention, energy and influences beyond the simple comprehensions.
Like you, it also paved the way for my inner work. It helped me to easily accept the introduction of perennial wisdom into my mind and numerous psychic experiences. I'd like to play some more with it, but it's not around my awareness though I've asked for its appearance. -
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Re: LSD - A Decisive Life Changer
Sat, October 24, 2009 - 3:21 PMIn the early 80's through maybe 85 or 86 I used to love the lsd I got in TX. Then in TX and CA the last dozen or so trips were mostly all bad. In retrospect I wasnt listening to the infinite wisdom of our built in intuition. It was telling me there was something seriously wrong with me that I wasnt aware of. I was and I wasnt. I knew but I didnt. And I knew for years I needed to be checked. Finally my man Glenn made me go. Then I knew for sure. And the rest is history. I'm not sure, but I'm pretty certain I won't use lsd again. Maybe a low dose. It just seems like too much for me to handle now. I have friends that get good liquid acid in an eyedrop bottle too. I'm not prepared to walk through the doors of perception with any added help at this time. I already have enough "weird" psychic stuff to think about fairly regularly. I recently had a premonition of a friend having something to do with cancer. A couple days later she told me she was having a mamogram / biopsy or something like this. Now they want her to come back for more tests. I lent her my copy of World Without Cancer. That may seem like not a big deal. But it is. I'm not sure if I could deal with the weight / gravity of reality if I took lsd again. It might be the straw that breaks this camels back. But also, as much as I miss and enjoyed it in the past, I believe that it doesnt have to be a part of your life on a regular basis. That it's okay if it is something that is in the past and not revisited. Just like cocaine. ( I know. Different thing. ) A friend recently told me he can get 8 balls of really good shit for $150. At first I was like "No thanx man. I can't do that shit anymore." Then after about ten minutes I started jonesing and told him I might have a friend that's interested. Thinking I might want to go there. But no. I just can't. It sucks. I used to love coke and wish I could do it still. But it doesnt like me. It's a monster that will surely kill me if I open that door and say "Sure. Come on in and kill me. Yay!"
Sorry for the rant. I'm a bit or a nervous wreck right now. My brother is on the way to the ER as I type. My Dad is taking him. All is well and it's a good day in M-Land. But there is this stuff going on in Atlanta now. Not a good scene.
Okay. I'll shut up now.
PS - Trance turned me onto this badass psytrance site earlier. It's really good. Check it out.
www.ektoplazm.com/section/free-music/
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Sat, October 24, 2009 - 4:13 PMThanks for the music!
I no longer do anything other than marijuana and only small doses of alcohol. No more mushrooms, cocaine, peyote, opium, or LSD. The God-Is of those substances have instilled upon me whatever it is I needed to know, understand and experience. I had great and fun times with all of them. The only "bad" part was occassionally being with people who didn't turn out to be THAT much fun to hang with during those experiences ... dullards and the witless or they had sexual hangups and didn't want to feel with their Mind/Bodies what I liked to enjoy in mine.
Let me know if there is anything I can be-do for you. I have listening ears and compassionate shoulders, too. -
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Sat, October 24, 2009 - 7:07 PM"The only "bad" part was occassionally being with people who didn't turn out to be THAT much fun to hang with during those experiences ... dullards and the witless or they had sexual hangups and didn't want to feel with their Mind/Bodies what I liked to enjoy in mine. "
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Sat, October 24, 2009 - 8:37 PMLOL! Appropriately spanked! -
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Sat, October 24, 2009 - 9:10 PMOMG. I'm at 1:47 on the first vid and Peter Fonda looks like Eric from That 70's Show. lol
Okay. Back to it. : )
Thorazine for a bad trip?
I wonder if that house is "The Spriral Staircase" that Charles Manson, John Lennon, and so many other people used to go to? That is so under-reported. Someone put a tight cap on that. I wonder if it's still there and would like to go check it out. Probably invitation only now. -
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Re: LSD - A Decisive Life Changer
Sun, October 25, 2009 - 5:10 PMDirty acid' ie' acid containing side chain amines/amides'
Chlorpromazine for a bad trip :)))
Hahaha' Blow a pipe of spice and bust the reflection' demons are a self creation' cos you no ate enough SID'
Came to the party late'
Bliss!
Nobu +
Shit I thought this was HELL
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Sat, October 24, 2009 - 9:58 PMSubstance, Set, Setting!
Doing sacraments among banal people sets the stage for a less than optimal communing with the teachers!
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Sun, October 25, 2009 - 7:28 AMi agree just because I ate mushrooms and smoke pot doesn't mean I'm a criminal scumbag who wants to hang around criminal scumbags (i include politicians in the criminal scumbag class) That is the main reason that I originally started growing myself because having to go out in find it on the street meant long socializing with (mostly young) mindless idiots and/or criminal scumbags
by the way, most young people I've met are pathetically ignorant my god man what have we done?? the idea of actually read a book seems to be too much for them. -
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Sun, October 25, 2009 - 8:22 AMI'm amazed how few people read. More amazed at how so many seem proud of the fact & wear it like a badge of honor. And how many actually think books are bad. I get some people grill me about certain books I discuss. Short answer? Read it and decide for yourself. Pretty simple.
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Sat, October 24, 2009 - 7:06 PMOff Topic: Basilisk deserves major KUDOS for hosting that amazing site with all the amazing music!
www.ektoplazm.com/profiles/basilisk/
On Topic: I have frequently enjoyed my excursions into L-space. My preference is M-space.
L seems very mind oriented while M is very gaia-centric hinting at a deep intentionality of
an interspecies symbiosis extending far back in time. -
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Sat, October 24, 2009 - 7:09 PMM ? Morphine? Marijuana? -
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Sat, October 24, 2009 - 7:40 PMMushrooms ;-) -
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Sat, October 24, 2009 - 8:09 PMIMO, the "bad" part for a lot of us who started when Owsley was the standard and LSD was still legal was that by around 1970 or so more and more of it was bogus and not made well. That's one of the reasons why more people were having bum trips (among other reasons) and why many people shifted to traditional psychedelics like 'shrooms..... -
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Sat, October 24, 2009 - 8:30 PMMushrooms. Duh. I had a blonde moment.
I swear people used to say lsd was starting to have strychnine in it and that's why people had bad trips. But some people say there was never any strychnine in it. I have no idea.
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Sat, October 24, 2009 - 8:35 PMNo, there was probably never any strychnine in LSD; it was just a less purified way that it was made after 1969 or so when all sorts of people started manufacturing it. Also, the first gram that went out went to a rarified level of people; once the hoi palloi got it, some people who never should have had it got their hands on it (and heads in it)....
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Sat, October 24, 2009 - 10:02 PMDamn Will, You must be one of the "ancient ones" ;-) -
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Sat, October 24, 2009 - 10:44 PMWill juz had a b-day. I luvz me some Will. : )
I do want to know how you took the quote from the zen book and figured out what the book name, authors name & page number were. He did used to be a teacher. I want to know though. That was awesome. He was like Data on Star Trek. lol A robot. Danger. Danger. Will Robinson!!! -
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Sat, October 24, 2009 - 11:08 PMwill is aging like fine cheese :) a little stinky but oh so good. -
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Sun, October 25, 2009 - 7:33 AMI have found LSD (doubt that I ever had "good" LSD) to be more chemical than mushrooms for sure - LSD is amazing and allowed my unconscious to explode profoundly but I have found mushrooms to be a sentient entity that somehow has life through some symbiotic process when combined in our nervous systems
either that or I am totally insane
whatever, right
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Re: LSD - A Decisive Life Changer
Sun, October 25, 2009 - 10:36 AMWell, if you're insane D ... we walk the same path! But I prefer the term OUTsane since who wants to be inside of sanity when the weather is so much nicer out of it?
Mushrooms DO have sentience. They are infused with Life Force Energy. -
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Sun, October 25, 2009 - 12:30 PM"Well, if you're insane D ... we walk the same path! But I prefer the term OUTsane since who wants to be inside of sanity when the weather is so much nicer out of it? "
I haven't lost my mind! I've lost their mind ;-)
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Re: LSD - A Decisive Life Changer
Sun, October 25, 2009 - 3:36 PMI was group therapy even "before the shrooms" when I had to have major "out therapy" in order to get out of the mental institute and this therapist was laying on all these rules and I finally grabbed something off the wall like ribbon of something and I made a box on the floor, everyone suddenly quiet and watching me, like, "what the fuck?"
Then I jumped in the box and said, "here's me in the box"
Then I jumped out of "the box" and said, "here's me out of the box"
Then I grabbed up the stuff and handed it too the therapist and said, "why be in a box when it's soo easy NOT to be in a box?" Apologising for pulling his ribbon thing off the wall.
I didn't do too well in therapy, LOL, not my fault if it was the drugs that got my attention. They gave me a cocktail that lasted about two weeks that was like fantastic beyond words and that's what really made it sink it how we float on the sea of our minds here after all. -
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Sun, October 25, 2009 - 7:35 PMThat's a cool story. Would be good to see on YouTube. : )
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Sun, October 25, 2009 - 8:31 AMHaha! Thanks guys, especially Jason's wise comment.... -
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Sun, October 25, 2009 - 12:55 PMGood one, ☥®ѧɳŒ !
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Mon, October 26, 2009 - 12:05 PMit definetly changed and still changes my life.. i'd have to say its always been my favorite.. even after trying mushrooms, mescaline, 2CB, and mdma.. i still love to stay up all night and wish it would never end.. i love coming down because thats when i'm at my creative peak. it is very hard to find it nowadays (for an older dude like me),, also it is said in a study on erowid that the quality hasnt changed but the amount put in a dose has.. from about 250 mic's in the 1970's to probably about 30-50 mic's now... dont know if this is completly true,, but something to consider when saying acid was better in the 70's or whenever,,, i'm sure those who've had the infamous orange sunshine or another of owsley's concoctions would disagreee with the erowid study,,
the last time i saw the green man's face in the trees,, a beautiful site indeed.. -
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Mon, October 26, 2009 - 1:23 PMFriends and I who had LSD in olden times definitely disagree. I know of the erowid study, and went to a conference where they and most of the other panelists supported their assertion, while some other knowledgeable attendees disagreed. However, 200 mics of most present-day LSD usually produces varying and often unpleasant results, whereas owsley and such was great at that or even higher levels. (Yes, one must also consider set and setting as well as the fact that those who got in on the first magic gram, as the late Peter Stafford referred to it, were a pretty exclusive socio-cultural group.) And it's not only subjective bioassay that seems to support this; Bruce Eisner and several others have written much about acid purity issues. The erowid study is but one such report. -
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Mon, October 26, 2009 - 2:10 PMOwesly was special like Hoffman, I think
I read that he would wait up to a year almost with his friends standing by - "is it time?"
"No, not yet" he would say. He only made the acid when the time was right and only he knew when the time was right. Suddenly he would announce that it was time and people would start scrambling to put everything together. Man is an artist. -
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Mon, October 26, 2009 - 2:49 PMYes, amazing guy! My friend Bruce and I were at one of the last Dead concerts at Shoreline, and there was Bear out of the blue among the merchants. If I hadn't been with my friend I probably wouldn't have realized who he was, because Bruce nudged me and said, "You know who -that- is, huh, Will?" Suddenly I did, and they conversed for some time, almost like it had been months rather than years since they last saw each other. Like the Flying Dutchman, I realized that was not only a first but probably a last for me..... -
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Mon, October 26, 2009 - 2:54 PMWhen I read "Storming Heaven" (Had to read because that was the title that I wanted for my book, dammit) afterwards I looked up all the major players what they were doing today. Every one of them is doing something cool and radical. I think that says a lot. -
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Mon, October 26, 2009 - 2:56 PMIMO, a good matching read is "Acid Dreams." One fills in what the other glosses over. -
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Mon, October 26, 2009 - 3:33 PMcool i don't think i've read that yet? I'm hoping the Taos library has a better selection of books than here, I can't afford to keep buying them all the time anymore since I don't work now. I'll bet there's like a whole isle devoted to unicorns? -
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Mon, October 26, 2009 - 4:24 PMi miss borders books so much - only thing from my "old" life I really miss is borders books. Here there is a similar bookstore but they have a huge stick up their ass and totally censor their books selection. I swear to god that 1/3rd of this huge bookstore is the "Christian Section". These people go about their lives with no idea of how lucky they are that I cannot kill with my mind
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Re: LSD - A Decisive Life Changer
Wed, October 28, 2009 - 6:23 AMNo need to kill the dead
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