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I knew this would happen. We should have kept it on the down-low. Now another of the very few non-scheduled entheogens is about to be made Schedule I.
It was inevitable after the publication of _Tryptamine Palace_ by James Oroc and
_The Entheogenic Evolution_ by Martin W. Ball . I don't blame Oroc and Ball for wanting to share there remarkable experiences, but once the cat is out of the bag, it can almost never be put back in. The government just wont tolerate the few non-sceduled entheogens becoming public knowledge.
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This deeply unfortunate.
Ryan
It was inevitable after the publication of _Tryptamine Palace_ by James Oroc and
_The Entheogenic Evolution_ by Martin W. Ball . I don't blame Oroc and Ball for wanting to share there remarkable experiences, but once the cat is out of the bag, it can almost never be put back in. The government just wont tolerate the few non-sceduled entheogens becoming public knowledge.
edocket.access.gpo.gov/2009/E9-20204.htm
www.regulations.gov/search/R...ketDetail
This deeply unfortunate.
Ryan
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Re: 5-MeO-DMT and the DEA
Mon, October 19, 2009 - 10:14 AMscrew the system man
fucking vampires
i sleep with garlic
and always keep steel points as your first six rounds
just saying - DMT - Pow to the chest DMT pow to the chest
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Re: 5-MeO-DMT and the DEA
Mon, October 19, 2009 - 10:21 AM<<I knew this would happen. We should have kept it on the down-low>.
People said that when LSD hit the list in '65 and some people even blamed Leary. Twenty years later when MDMA was banned by the feds some people blamed Doblin for publicly advocating its use. It goes on and on. IMO, there is no way to keep anything interesting "on the down-low."
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Re: 5-MeO-DMT and the DEA
Mon, October 19, 2009 - 11:15 AMmonkeyidiotworld
i should say?
seriously people should think about how they would explain things to aliens from outer space before they do it
"So you outlaw a plant, naturally occuring chemicals - you take away or even assault and sometimes kill one another? Amazing? And over one billion of your kind have no clean water to drink, even? Wow, no one in the civilized universe is going to believe this shit!" -
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Re: 5-MeO-DMT and the DEA
Mon, October 19, 2009 - 7:18 PMNope not suprised at all. 5meo is one of the strongest(psychedelic) chems.. though like n,n it is found naturally in quite a few plants/seeds/trees, so good luck with eraticating it from the planet(lol). and if you think the dea/supposed powers that be haven't know about all these chems from the get go... like it's some big secret here in our own community, well then you fool yourself. Tihkal and Pihkal are internationally published books and can be read by um.. anyone.
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Re: 5-MeO-DMT and the DEA
Mon, October 19, 2009 - 9:40 PMSure the government and many people in the psychedelic community have known about it. However having two books (that focus on 5-MeO-DMT almost exclusively) published within a year is very different than the references in Tihkal and such.
I very much enjoyed both books, but knew as soon as I read them that the DEA would start a change in policy within a year or two. Which in fact is just what happened.
Oh well, there are still a number of interesting non-scheduled plants and chemicals. It's just that 5-MeO-DMT was definitely one of my favorites and I'm sad to see it moving rapidly towards being Schedule I. It is truly an amazing compound once you figure out how to use it.
The truly ridiculous thing is that *very* few people actually use it, so IMHO it doesn't really meet the DEAs own scheduling guidelines
Warm Regards,
Ryan
PS I certainly don't blame Oroc or Ball, but the inevitable did get greatly accelerated with the increased public visibility of the compound.
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Re: 5-MeO-DMT and the DEA
Mon, October 19, 2009 - 7:36 PMThat shit will fry your brain, son! You damn dirty toad-licking hippie. Save the crying for your mommie, and smoke some dope like a normal person. -
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Re: 5-MeO-DMT and the DEA
Mon, October 19, 2009 - 7:46 PMPuhLEASE! I'm sure you're speaking just for yourself--and that's fine! It's good medicine and N-N is at least as good.....One form is called the power and the other the glory....
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Re: 5-MeO-DMT and the DEA
Mon, October 19, 2009 - 8:01 PMyeah I know firepoiboi ain't talkin to me cause I ain't dirty.
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Re: 5-MeO-DMT and the DEA
Tue, October 20, 2009 - 7:44 AMman i gotta find a way to try it before i cant find it,,, is a yopo mixture the same feel?? -
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Tue, October 20, 2009 - 11:08 AMum not really but I never tried it that way.. I understand it burns like hell(snuff)
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Re: 5-MeO-DMT and the DEA
Tue, October 20, 2009 - 12:56 PMI've tried yopo insufflation, but the effects were much less pronounced than pure 5-MeO-DMT. Nausea and sinus pain were by far the most noticeable effects. Since the refined chemical was readily available, the one experiment was all I engaged in. Also, it is worth noting that Bufotenine might be the primary psychoactive constituent of many (most?) shamanic snuffs. Although Bufotenine and 5-Meo-DMT are similar in effects, Bufotenine seems to have a much greater "body-load".
I personally experience little pain or nausea from 5-MeO-DMT. Psychedelic phenethylamines are much more painful to insufflate and also tend to have more "body-load" for instance. However, as with most tryptamines, 5-MeO-DMT tastes -really- foul when the post nasal drip gets to the back of your throat.
When smoked it is really not bad tasting at all (unlike its close cousin NN), although it feels very hot and a little harsh on the lungs. This slight pain quickly becomes irrelevant as I usually loose touch with my body almost immediately.
Warm Regards,
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Re: 5-MeO-DMT and the DEA
Tue, October 20, 2009 - 1:06 PMBut the effects of 5-MeO and NN are dramatically different, the power and the glory, both quite amazing..... -
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Re: 5-MeO-DMT and the DEA
Tue, October 20, 2009 - 1:30 PMBut the effects of 5-MeO and NN are dramatically different, the power and the glory, both quite amazing.....
Absolutely true when smoked. The initial onset feels similar, but then things become -radically- dissimilar. 5-MeO-DMT is more analogous to the Clear-Light, and NN is a trip to a cosmic fun-house. Both are useful, but in different ways.
However, these differences all but completely disappear in orally potentiated use. I suspect quite strongly that insufflated use would also be remarkably similar in psychoative effects, but I have not personally made this comparison.
Warmly,
Ryan -
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Re: 5-MeO-DMT and the DEA
Tue, October 20, 2009 - 1:52 PMHmm. Many I have known and I experience NN like seeing and experiencing what Alex Grey does in his glorious spiritual images, and 5-MeO as the powerful what-comes-next wild card! -
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Re: 5-MeO-DMT and the DEA
Tue, October 20, 2009 - 2:25 PMNot to derail the legal ramifications of your topic in any way, Ryan, but here's an interesting compare/contrast.. posted before though worth a read, albeit druggy babble from insane hippies ;) I take no responsibility :)
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Re: 5-MeO-DMT and the DEA
Wed, October 21, 2009 - 4:51 AMHaHa!!
PLANTS !!
Enough said'
PARTY AMONGST THE DEPTHS OF CONCIOUSNESS UNTETHERED'
Be Well!
Love 5-meo-dmt' Love nn-dmt' Love conciousness :)))
Nobu +
99.9% of the oppressors have no freaking clue of what anything is' let em smell it and then look for it' they have no eyes in their heads or outside of a beer N' a bottle of wine' a good oppressor "knows" these substances' and after knowing' gives up running the oppressor program'
Guess they think plants come from supermarkets' HaHa!!
This is a rap on the knuckles for those folks that are "Lazy" I always said RC's suck' you got a kitchen and a brain' create of your own' LIGHT !! -
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Re: 5-MeO-DMT and the DEA
Wed, October 21, 2009 - 8:15 AMright on Nobu+
you rock!
your too right about it,, if its too easy to get maybe you dont need it..
if ya really want it and got a brain that can comprehend,, make it,, so many plants even on the city streets..
got it...so get it if ya need it.. they cant kill all the plants, i dont think the plants will allow that =-)
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Re: 5-MeO-DMT and the DEA
Wed, October 21, 2009 - 12:32 PMWhen we are "Gone" she Will go back to of what she does best'
No thing is permanent'
Bliss!
Nobu +
Shroom season' you can smell the DMT in the cow shit'
Awe
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Re: 5-MeO-DMT and the DEA
Wed, October 21, 2009 - 4:59 PMShroom season' you can smell the DMT in the cow shit'
ha ha ha
i love walking through the suburbs of the city keeping my nose open for that very same smell
shines out like a beacon- they wake up in time for samhain when the spirits are up and walking
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Re: 5-MeO-DMT and the DEA
Thu, November 12, 2009 - 10:23 AM"Shroom season' you can smell the DMT in the cow shit"
Gotta love shroom season!
So many liberty caps about this year as well.
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Never been a huge fan of 5-MeO-DMT to be honest, it's a bit too disorienting for my liking.
Always a shame to see unnecessary scheduling though.
Let's just hope the 4-AcO-DMT keeps flowing. ;]
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Re: 5-MeO-DMT and the DEA
Mon, October 26, 2009 - 9:26 PMWatch out, the DEA will probably outlaw toads next! -
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Re: 5-MeO-DMT and the DEA
Thu, November 5, 2009 - 5:21 AMNobu is right - as long as the *plants* aren't scheduled, this is not going to be a big problem for anyone who is truly interested. I mean, the obvious precedent is ayahuasca, and its an encouraging one.
And seriously, what about the toads? Its hard to comprehend them actually making an amphibian a Schedule 1 "substance". LOL - "step away from the toad, hippie, and no one gets hurt".
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