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Under the umbrella of festivals, drugs, counter culture:
At times I feel like an psychonautical adventurer embarking on missions of mind-expansion, creativity, love, and human community, becoming one with the music and melting into the universe.
Other times I feel like a loser who needs to get his shit together and has wasted his life fuckin around.
Set me straight...
At times I feel like an psychonautical adventurer embarking on missions of mind-expansion, creativity, love, and human community, becoming one with the music and melting into the universe.
Other times I feel like a loser who needs to get his shit together and has wasted his life fuckin around.
Set me straight...
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Re: Are we fooling ourselves? (cross-posted)
Thu, June 4, 2009 - 8:14 AMThese are not mutually exclusive. IMO. -
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Re: Are we fooling ourselves? (cross-posted)
Thu, June 4, 2009 - 10:29 AM<<These are not mutually exclusive. IMO.>>
I love this response and will ponder upon it. It doesn't answer my question, but gives a new perspective. -
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Re: Are we fooling ourselves? (cross-posted)
Sat, June 6, 2009 - 11:36 AMi find when i take care of my "shit", life in general is much better...
and when i'v been neglecting it, well..... personally its hard being in my head for the duration of said half life, blunt is the word.....
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Re: Are we fooling ourselves? (cross-posted)
Sat, June 6, 2009 - 11:57 AMThe whole moon and the entire sky are reflected in one dewdrop on the grass.
-Dogen
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Re: Are we fooling ourselves? (cross-posted)
Thu, June 4, 2009 - 8:52 AMmy austrian psychiatrist - complete with rediculous accent! - told how when his parents took him to the seaside, he would admire the older boys who dived into the powerful whirlpools that developed off shore.
When he was old enough he got his first lesson - before this he had only been told to stay away from the deadly whirlpools the way I have been told on the Atlantic to stay away from deadly tidal bores and such.
the older boy explained that if you get caught in the whirlpool, and you tried to swim out, you would become exhausted and possibly even drown. Then he told him that he had to swim down with all his might and no more that 20 to 30 feet down the whirlpool dissipates and it is simple to then swim out and away from it.
Once he knew the secret he loved to dive into the "deadly" whirlpools -
the only way out is through -
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Re: Are we fooling ourselves? (cross-posted)
Thu, June 4, 2009 - 9:25 AMwell put and it's everyones duty to take those dives... dont worry your purpose will reveal itself!
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Re: Are we fooling ourselves? (cross-posted)
Thu, June 4, 2009 - 9:41 AMi thought this stuff about loving myself and not judging myself was pure new age unicorn shit
but not loving myself, always harshly judging myself - low and behond when I was able to love myself, to not-judge, then things fell into place - but that took a lot of mushrooms and a wonderful hypnotherapist not to mention complete desperation on my part (maybe it mostly took desperation on my part!)
but i am certain now that everything that ever was and everything to come and everything right now is perfect - we could only arrive here and now via the path we took, whatever that path "was" it was perfect.
Or as Jim Morrison once said, "we're searching for something that's already found us" -
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Re: Are we fooling ourselves? (cross-posted)
Thu, June 4, 2009 - 10:25 AMD, You touched on something else there, maybe related to my original theme.
While I know there is an amazing universe out there and there's much more to life than meets the eye, and sometimes things happen that have no "rational" explanation, and sometimes it seems like magic is real -- I know these things because I've experienced them -- I'm also a total cynic. I find myself mentally scoffing at people who really believe in the spiritual, magical side of life. In truth, I don't BELIEVE in fate or the power of positive thinking, etc.
So here's where it comes full-circle. On the one hand, doing certain drugs seems to pull back the curtain -- Like my cynical brain is quieted and only Truth remains, and everything is connected and perfect. On the other hand, what if doing the drugs is actually closing the curtain, or veiling the eyes and projecting illusions?
I'm basically confused, and would appreciate some guidance. Is life magical and feminine and we ARE all connected and we DO go around again and again, and the drug is a tool to help us see the reality? Or is life practical and masculine, and what you see is what you get, and the drug is a way of avoiding the real world? -
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Re: Are we fooling ourselves? (cross-posted)
Thu, June 4, 2009 - 1:22 PM"I'm basically confused, and would appreciate some guidance. Is life magical and feminine and we ARE all connected and we DO go around again and again, and the drug is a tool to help us see the reality? Or is life practical and masculine, and what you see is what you get, and the drug is a way of avoiding the real world?"
I think you need to take more drugs so you can rule out the delusional
"Or is life practical and masculine, and what you see is what you get"...
YUCK!!!!! Your brain states have been tainted by bean counters, lawyers and clergymen! -
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Re: Are we fooling ourselves? (cross-posted)
Sat, June 6, 2009 - 11:16 AMConfused is good, I hope. When you really see the existential paradox for what it is...............
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Re: Are we fooling ourselves? (cross-posted)
Sun, June 7, 2009 - 9:59 AMI'm basically confused, and would appreciate some guidance. Is life magical and feminine and we ARE all connected and we DO go around again and again, and the drug is a tool to help us see the reality? Or is life practical and masculine, and what you see is what you get, and the drug is a way of avoiding the real world?
Yuck! ! Sunday school' Jonah and the whale shit'
Stop anylising' all shall be revealed without LABELS'
Bliss
Nobuoni +
Be posative brother' you are your own creation and the imagination of yourself ~
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Re: Are we fooling ourselves? (cross-posted)
Thu, June 4, 2009 - 10:33 AMI believe also that no life is ever wasted, every being plays their part to a higher purpose wether they are aware or not. even tragedy because it affects the whole so yes everything is already perfect, let your anxiety be the signpost to lead you in the new better direction. -
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Re: Are we fooling ourselves? (cross-posted)
Thu, June 4, 2009 - 10:38 AMLife is both things and all things at once just ask a gemini ;)
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Re: Are we fooling ourselves? (cross-posted)
Thu, June 4, 2009 - 11:30 AMI think that the act of expressing my confusion has already started to change the course of it. Now all my actions, during explorations or not, will be subtely influenced by today's conversation and the input I've received from you insightful people.
I wish I DID belive in something HUGE like a religion--Seems like it would simplify things so much. Remove many uncertainties.
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Re: Are we fooling ourselves? (cross-posted)
Thu, June 4, 2009 - 1:28 PM"I wish I DID believe in something HUGE like a religion--Seems like it would simplify things so much. Remove many uncertainties. "
Religion is for beings stuck in some "larval" stage of development.
Most religious people never complete their metamorphosis!!!
"Simplify?" Yes!!! But life is complicated!!!
"Remove many uncertainties." NO!!! The uncertainty remains, you merely delude yourself into believing otherwise!
The only certain thing is uncertainty! Expect the unexpected! -
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Re: Are we fooling ourselves? (cross-posted)
Thu, June 4, 2009 - 1:45 PMI hear you, and understand.
I know my mind (and soul) is tainted, I think that might be my point. That's what I want to fix.
And, I understand about the hamster wheel of organized religion. I'm not saying that I want to join one, only expressing that it must be very comforting to so firmly believe in something. To have a guidebook.
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Re: Are we fooling ourselves? (cross-posted)
Thu, June 4, 2009 - 2:54 PMi don't "believe" in religion but I do believe in Love - and now I pray again, to love. It's cool to be able to pray again
being real starts with being real - beats the hell out of pretenting we are something we are not
i have a lot of faith in the plant teachers themselves - they'll help you more than all these words no matter how well meaning -
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Re: Are we fooling ourselves? (cross-posted)
Thu, June 4, 2009 - 5:04 PMmore drugs! haha you guys are thinking like me :) I'm sure a proper hit of 5meoDMT would certainly help to quell any doubts about ones immortality, but we all know it goes deeper than that. I like to pray too and now that I think of 'God' as a connection to my true identity rather than something separate from myself... it actually works! either way, sending Big Love to Sa.. I'm sure you will work it out man. -
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Re: Are we fooling ourselves? (cross-posted)
Thu, June 4, 2009 - 5:17 PMBig love, right on!
sun-lusts
issuing forth
branch over branch over branch
all a one
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Re: Are we fooling ourselves? (cross-posted)
Sat, June 6, 2009 - 11:18 AMN-N-DMT is where it's at!
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Re: Are we fooling ourselves? (cross-posted)
Mon, June 15, 2009 - 7:29 AMLife is and should be uncertainty. Uncertainty means that you are awake.
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Re: Are we fooling ourselves? (cross-posted)
Sat, June 6, 2009 - 5:18 AM
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Re: Are we fooling ourselves? (cross-posted)
Sat, June 6, 2009 - 1:28 PMThe question is not are we fooling ourselves, but are you fooling yourself. The festivals, drugs and counter culture (even the hip hop kids fall into counter culture) give us a place to share and meet. Though, like all debauchery there is a tendency to over indulge. We all dance and let loose trying to escape the thumb holding us down under that giant adidas billboard ad. Those of us who made it here must learn how to integrate our experiences with our daily life. When you rip the construct of reality apart, look under the veil and see elves it becomes hard to care about this place. But, this is where we reside. This is where our actions matter. This is your life and mine, his, hers, and the other.
You will always be you, even in a state of flux.
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Re: Are we fooling ourselves? (cross-posted)
Sun, June 7, 2009 - 10:56 AM
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practice makes perfect...
Mon, June 15, 2009 - 6:50 AMSa, at times you are a "psychonautical adventurer embarking on missions of mind-expansion, creativity, love, and human community, becoming one with the music and melting into the universe. "
The rest of the time, you are a loser who needs to get his shit together and is wasting his life fuckin around.
in other words, ASAP, get back to being a "psychonautical adventurer embarking on missions of mind-expansion, creativity, love, and human community, becoming one with the music and melting into the universe."
we need more people like you
sounds like you've figured it out already :)
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Re: Are we fooling ourselves? (cross-posted)
Mon, June 15, 2009 - 7:29 AMGet your shit together first. Then explore inner space. You'll enjoy inner space and consensual reality both more that way. It is possible to have both. Decide what you think "having your shit together" means. Then do that. Then decide how you can fit exploration into your life without losing your shit. -
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Re: Are we fooling ourselves? (cross-posted)
Mon, June 15, 2009 - 10:07 AMthe only way i know to get my shit together is to explore my inner space...
that's where my shit comes from...
that's where it lives... -
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Re: Are we fooling ourselves? (cross-posted)
Mon, June 15, 2009 - 10:55 AMUnderstandable, on the grand scale. But there are certain things that make life feel better: eating well, exercising, maintaining friendships and family, and having enough $$ to meet NEEDS (fresh veggies, living space, basic medical). How to get the $$ and maintain it is flexible. Not that much of it is needed to meet needs. How to maintain relationships is flexible. The rest of your shit can be taken care of on inner space journeys. Taking care of oneself on the more practical level, though, is the first step to making everything else fall into place. Otherwise, inner space may be nothing more than an escape from a crappy outer life. I've learned this from some of the most successful and happy psychonauts I know.
My favorite take on psychonautical journeying is that those inner space experiences are a peak over the fence into what life can be. They can be a view of a goal, or a glimpse into parts of oneself seldom expressed. They are teaching times, learning times, but at the end, you have to come back to the practical world and do something with what you learned. Otherwise, the journeys are nothing more than escapism and mental masturbation. Not taking care of basic needs first, and not seeing how to bring lessons back are the main reasons I see people trend away from making journeys in the first place.
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Re: Are we fooling ourselves? (cross-posted)
Mon, June 15, 2009 - 11:00 AMwell...
no money no dope - no dope no hope etc...
so basically it's the same with drugs as with everything else...
you've got to be able to stay ahead of the game and work out the balance so you're dealing more than you're using... -
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Re: Are we fooling ourselves? (cross-posted)
Mon, June 15, 2009 - 7:01 PMI needed this post! Its where my heads been latley. I need to get my shit together [debt] then I can go back out again. This time I will find the balance and stay with people of a like minded space. live for today plan for tommorow! -
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Re: Are we fooling ourselves? (cross-posted)
Mon, June 15, 2009 - 7:14 PMa zen master was asked what he thought of politics and he responded, smiling, "you have a situation where unenligtened people are leading unenlightened people - what possible good could come from that?" -
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Re: Are we fooling ourselves? (cross-posted)
Mon, June 15, 2009 - 7:16 PM"i vote for enlightenment with my numb ass" -
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Re: Are we fooling ourselves? (cross-posted)
Tue, June 16, 2009 - 5:15 AMI agree with Rafael - at least in my experience. The best and quickest way to "get it together" with the universe, in all parts of your life, is to continue with the inner journeying. Everything comes from within, from the state of consciousness. The seeds of all the suffering, and the means to liberation. -
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Re: Are we fooling ourselves? (cross-posted)
Tue, June 16, 2009 - 7:08 AMwell until we know ourselves we can never be sure if what we "believe" is not projection of self onto an object - another person, concept, etc - until we are whole in ourselves in this way, it is impossible to have a truly mature, loving relationship
It's just the term "getting your shit together" that annoys me - perhaps because I spent so many decades doing so - or not doing so - and the thing is that I do not believe we can get our shit together by simply baring down on it, you know? We need help from an outside power, be it God or the Church of psychotherapy or medititation or my preference - entheogens
point is self flagulation is useless in all of this - love is the only way and self love was the hardest thing for me - "love is the only power you possess" the mushrooms told me
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Re: Are we fooling ourselves? (cross-posted)
Tue, June 16, 2009 - 9:33 AMSmart thinking.
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