I had the thought, as I was driving, that my car is a dense and evolutionarily advanced body that is being guided, directed, and driven,
by me, a more subtle, soft, and spiritually aware intelligence...and I took the metaphor furthur, connecting this idea towards the notion
that in a sense, we could be a "car" that plants "drive." This idea connects in a sense to that human beings came after plants as cars
came after humans. Humans more subtle than cars, plants more subtle than humans, humans have the directions for the car, plants have
the directions for the humans? Agree? Disagree? What do you think?
by me, a more subtle, soft, and spiritually aware intelligence...and I took the metaphor furthur, connecting this idea towards the notion
that in a sense, we could be a "car" that plants "drive." This idea connects in a sense to that human beings came after plants as cars
came after humans. Humans more subtle than cars, plants more subtle than humans, humans have the directions for the car, plants have
the directions for the humans? Agree? Disagree? What do you think?
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Re: Plant consciousness metaphor
Tue, May 13, 2008 - 2:53 PMintresting idea, will toss it around this weekend w/ a few plants and see what they have to say on it
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some plant are better drivers than others
Sun, May 18, 2008 - 11:41 AMlike crops ..
and drugs..
how powerful is the marijuana plant?
the coca plant?
the coffee? tobacco ,etc?
the same could be said about chickens.. over 1 billion alive in the US alone at this moment, at the behest of 300 million
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Re: some plant are better drivers than others
Sun, May 18, 2008 - 12:00 PMthe 10,000 things rise and fall from the eternal struggle between the funghi and the vermi...
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there is only ONE consciousness
Mon, May 19, 2008 - 1:52 AMactually i was just kidding with my previous rant on plant consciousness, cause it's all interlaced ;)
there is only ONE consciousness, with varied components of the universe radiating and absorbing certain portions or frequencies based on direct relationship with the level of complexity in structure and function. so plants at certain part of the spectrum, humans (and mammals) at another, etc..
consciousness is a property of matter/energy (and vice versa). more complex matter/energy has more complex consciousness.
and yes it is kind like driving a vehicle. consciousness drives the vessel to it's capacity and function of course.
like when we drive a car or bike or plane... we can do and use the varied vessels for different purposes.
from subatomic particles to the entire ecosystem of the multiverse.
we humans are at the end of the spectrum that is most complex for a species (that we know of...)
our consciousness is so complex that we can actually move our awareness up and down the entire spectrum and then guide it in the direction we FEEL is the most suitable for the entire emerging universal consciousness of this particular universe
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Mon, May 19, 2008 - 2:11 AMso... hahaha
are you saying for a more better conscious world you'd recommend driving under the influence of cocoaine...?
but wouldn't that kinda make you drowsy...
with a longterm risk of chocoholism...
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chocolate is is a good standard for me.
Mon, May 19, 2008 - 3:00 AMabsolutely! everything's better with chocolate.
every time i eat chocolate, i remember that the whole purpose of my life is to enjoy it.
i eat it for the entire experience
walking to the store to buy my favorite 56% cacao delight
walking home and placing it in the fridge to stabilize the textures and flavors
waiting about 30 minutes
then enjoying it piece by piece
aware of how my entire life experience, which i maintain at a very high standard
justs gets better :)
and theobromine is very light entheogen
you can't imagine how much i can improve the quality of my life with anything a but stronger
thru my direct experience of myself as a self guided portion of the spectrum of the ONE consciousness that is the multiverse.
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Re: chocolate is is a good standard for me.
Mon, May 19, 2008 - 3:34 AM
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Re: chocolate is is a good standard for me.
Fri, June 13, 2008 - 6:21 PMchocolate is my love. praises to the chocolate entity. entering in me and filling me up with subtle euphoric waves. dripping soft slow beams of euphoria down my spine. tingling my skin.
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Sat, July 5, 2008 - 5:33 PMthis MADE MY DAY
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Re: some plant are better drivers than others
Thu, June 12, 2008 - 9:37 PMyes dude and one day they WILL regain their power
that's why i am always really nice to mice.
(hail)
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Re: Plant consciousness metaphor
Sun, May 18, 2008 - 12:32 PMPlants drive me right now, I have given them control of the superego and swore my loyalty to the Plant Mind - our Gaia Mother. I live for Her and follow Her instructions now. I am Her Car - the Plant Mind needs our hands - look at your hands, amazing things! The plants do not have this. They need our hands and our technology. In alliance we can save the planet - their knowledge and wisdom and our hands and technology - a map for a living future. This is an important map for a future now only promising large scale death and destruction.
You are absolutely correct to give the Plant MInd the steering wheel. Let's face it right now we humans do no know where we are going. Some want love and transformation and wisdom but most want fear and violence and power. We humans left to our own devices will surely steer this planet to its doom with our unfortunately proponderance of ego driven greed, lust and powermongering. The far older Plant Mind of the planet (tapped into via entheogens - telephone, teleplant!) and the great mother of us all approach the planet wholistically - simple as that. The greatet among us with all their technology can begin to comprehend meaningfully the complexity of this planet and its organic and inorganic systems. The complexity of the biosphere is of such magnitude as to constitute a mystery. Simply to fully comprehend one organism in it's entireity is almost beyond our grasp. The complex of relationship of things one to another just on this little planet of our approach an infinitity of possibilites so that our biosphere is incomprehensible to we humans. -
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Sun, May 18, 2008 - 1:02 PMthe problem with datura driving is she tends to go straight into the nearest wall... -
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Sun, May 18, 2008 - 1:22 PMno silly, Datura would simply say to us, you know the ones with the fabulous Hands, "go over there" and we would then drive Datura over there
seriously, how much worse could Datura's destination for us be than say, our governments?
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Sun, May 18, 2008 - 1:46 PMyeah hell is other people as they say over here whilst doing their best to exemplify that statement... hahaha
but however pathologically abusive people get I wouldn't feel particularly comfortable handing the keys over to datura until she'd taken a few more driving lessons - you know I have a feeling that plants aren't necessarily any less invasive than humans and they've like totally taken over my yard without asking my permission...
this is after all the domain of the demiurge so why assume that any part of it is sane...?
youtube.com/watch
youtube.com/watch
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Sun, May 18, 2008 - 4:39 PMInteresting metaphor, but I think that I prefer a model of reality that attributes consciousness to all "things," and I see technologically-proficient primates as being more like the children of plants, rather than as mindless technologies that they created to inhabit and drive. I think that cars and chairs and rocks are actually conscious in some sense, and I also see my car as an extension of myself. (At least when it runs.) All boundaries ultimately blur on some level, because they're all arbitrary to begin with. I think that everything is conscious--at least that's the way that it seems to me on salvia. Evolutionarily speaking, plants literally gave birth to animals--so we're really their children--and through nanotechnology, artificial intelligence, advanced robotics, and quantum computing, we're, in turn, giving birth to a new species--made of the same stuff that we're made of, Earth, just rearranged in a new way. But I don't see these "species" (plants, humans, nanotechnologically-proficient super-beings) as being actually separate in any ultimate sense, as I think that it's all just one continuous flow of consciousness. It's all just us. I also like the metaphor that psychedelic plants are like neurotransmitter-generating glands in the Global Gaian Brain, and that humans are like brain cells. Anyway, at least this is what the plant spirits told me. ;-)
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Sun, May 18, 2008 - 9:27 PMOr maybe our bodies are just one of the latest solutions to the packaging problem of our creator, DNA. DNA being the starting point for plants and then animals. Humans will be developing into a more hive-like animal (cities are the start), insectile beings more closely in tune with plants. Therefore back to a more equal ballance of spirit and material. Some of the teachers we encounter are insectile. Insects have a very close relationship with plant molecules, they will be teaching us some really advanced biomolecular lessons soon. Anyway, that's whats goin' round these days, that's the buzzzzzzz.
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Mon, May 19, 2008 - 12:50 AMthat stuff is kinda crazy...
so it's curious how stuff comes along (and doesn't come along) whether it's weeds with medicinal properties or metaphysical media or people even...
in my desperate hopeless isolation out here I kinda went peace and lovey and didn't kill bugs for a while and accepted flies as my friends because there weren't many of them just one coming to crawl on the computer screen now and then like to say I should take a break but then last winter they got too numerous so I didn't like them any more...
I did a google and found out they were a different species of fly that live in the walls but lay their eggs in the earth to feed on worms...
so that gaia thing can be mysterious and complex...
and not particularly friendly if viewed from an ego perspective...
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Re: Plant consciousness metaphor
Mon, May 19, 2008 - 6:13 AMI have learned a lot about urban design... Traveling widely, studying many different philosophies and histories... and, as I progressed further in my career, going to city counsels to work with counsels of towns to move them back towards a centralized design.
As we all should know, here in the U.S. our city designers in the post WW2 era were encouraged by the wiz kids and moses folks to decentralize. It was in the name of nuclear proofing our country. Highways are designed to carry military vehicles, and their placement and layout was meant to secure the land from pinprick attacks with nukes.
This of course, combined with the ideal of living in a country villa, created an urban landscape based on cars.
I have had a direct vision of the creature, the city... It is alive, and cars are it's red blood cells. Transporting ideas, and materials for the cities growth...
Plants message for this=?: NAKED TECH!
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Mon, May 19, 2008 - 6:52 AMalthough I've passed through quite a few zones I am always pretty much unable to integrate and just generally clueless but it wouldn't surprise me if there were reptoids or insectoids or plantoids in charge... hahaha
if anybody knows the plot can you take me to your leader...
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Mon, May 19, 2008 - 10:45 AMthat's weird coz that's how I find my zits... hahaha
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Mon, May 19, 2008 - 12:04 PMCall me spooky by it looks to me as if its us inside of me.
The Serpent Coil Of DNA
We meet it everywhere
But we do not see its front
We follow it everywhere
But we do not see its back
When we embrace this ancient serpent coil
We are masters of the moment
And we feel no break in the
Curling back to primeval beginnings
This may be called
Unraveling the clue of the life process
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Its rising is not bright
nor its setting dark
Unceasing, continuous
Branching out in roots innumerable
Forever sending forth the serpent coil
of living things
Mysterious as the formless existence
to which it returns
Twisting back
Beyond mind
We say only that it is form from the formless
Life from spiral void
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Be empty
Watch quietly while the ten thousand forms
swim into life and return to the source
Do nothing
Return to the source
Deep repose is the sign
That you have reached
The appointed goal
To return to the source is to
discover the eternal law of seed
He who returns to this eternal law is enlightened
Being enlightened he is serene
Being serene he is open-hearted
Being open-hearted he is beyond social games
Being beyond social games he is in tune with seed
Being in tune with seed he endures
Until the end of his life he is not in peril
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Mon, May 19, 2008 - 12:08 PM"remember
you are the buddha
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Mon, May 19, 2008 - 3:06 PMorpheus, I liked that but, and now I can be paranoid, but it seemed to me that someone or something forced you to post that vid.. Twas it the worm that forced you? You can tell me.
What ever you find, liberate it.
If you meet the Buddha on your path, kill him.
If you meet the cure, or the answer, let it go and keep going.
For even the force is but another thing that is "in the beginning was god and he was the force", or "in the beginning was a "something" that banged the big bang.
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Mon, May 19, 2008 - 11:40 PMI don't have the antidote...
just fear and pain...
I am sinking...
alone...
etc...
it's hopeless...
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Tue, May 20, 2008 - 5:29 AMOrpheus, where do you get these video jewels? You always seem to have another one in your pocket. And yes you do and no you don't have the antidote, stop lying to me!!! Upside down we will shake it loose out of your pockets, but then you must throw it away while we all watch, and this time for good. And if it doesn't fall from your pockets then we'll know you were a warlock and will need the stake-burning ceremony to put things right. You certainly keep me busy, -
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Tue, May 20, 2008 - 5:59 AMthe videos have appeared exponentially as bandwidth expanded etc...
so what is with the antidote and the occult executions etc...?
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Tue, May 20, 2008 - 12:20 PMJust joshin bro, I could never execute my favorite source of good humor
if our purpose in life is to shine joy
you must be the new messiah
oh, my god, were back to that line of thinking that always ends in occult execution.
better stop thinking and just do something
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Tue, May 20, 2008 - 12:49 PMsee!? you just out of no where snap up this info and transform it into a humorous video!
Have you takin the Turing test yet?
You might not even realize you are an AI!!!
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Re: Plant consciousness metaphor
Fri, June 13, 2008 - 7:13 AMEgregore en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egregore
City is ruled by a consciousness. We are it's red blood cells, we transport and move its body, and we continue its existence.
Plants are Brains, they don't need bodies, they are body-less spinal columns.
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Fri, June 13, 2008 - 9:36 AM
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Plant consciousness forum
Fri, June 13, 2008 - 9:54 AMAnyone and everyone who is in touch with the consciousness of the Plant world is invited to this forum:
www.forums.ayahuasca.com/phpbb...um.php
(Especially recommend the threads "Plant Spirits," "Plant Sentience..." "Our communal breath..." "Dieta..." and "Green Gospel of Life.")
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Re: Plant consciousness tourism...
Fri, June 13, 2008 - 10:25 AM
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Re: Plant consciousness metaphor
Sun, June 15, 2008 - 6:40 PM"Will there be another race
To come along and take over for us?
Maybe martians could do
Better than we've done
We'll make great pets!
We'll make great pets!
We'll make great pets!"
subtitute plants for Martians and you get the creepyzoid idea
lol
seriously
imho
my green allies and me share a
very loving symbiosic relationship
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