Plant consciousness metaphor

topic posted Mon, May 12, 2008 - 9:04 PM by  Stephen
I had the thought, as I was driving, that my car is a dense and evolutionarily advanced body that is being guided, directed, and driven,
by me, a more subtle, soft, and spiritually aware intelligence...and I took the metaphor furthur, connecting this idea towards the notion
that in a sense, we could be a "car" that plants "drive." This idea connects in a sense to that human beings came after plants as cars
came after humans. Humans more subtle than cars, plants more subtle than humans, humans have the directions for the car, plants have
the directions for the humans? Agree? Disagree? What do you think?
posted by:
Stephen
Raleigh
  • some plant are better drivers than others

    Sun, May 18, 2008 - 11:41 AM
    like crops ..

    and drugs..
    how powerful is the marijuana plant?
    the coca plant?
    the coffee? tobacco ,etc?
    the same could be said about chickens.. over 1 billion alive in the US alone at this moment, at the behest of 300 million

    and remember the white mice, they're the ones really in charge ;)
    • there is only ONE consciousness

      Mon, May 19, 2008 - 1:52 AM
      actually i was just kidding with my previous rant on plant consciousness, cause it's all interlaced ;)

      there is only ONE consciousness, with varied components of the universe radiating and absorbing certain portions or frequencies based on direct relationship with the level of complexity in structure and function. so plants at certain part of the spectrum, humans (and mammals) at another, etc..

      consciousness is a property of matter/energy (and vice versa). more complex matter/energy has more complex consciousness.
      and yes it is kind like driving a vehicle. consciousness drives the vessel to it's capacity and function of course.
      like when we drive a car or bike or plane... we can do and use the varied vessels for different purposes.

      from subatomic particles to the entire ecosystem of the multiverse.

      we humans are at the end of the spectrum that is most complex for a species (that we know of...)
      our consciousness is so complex that we can actually move our awareness up and down the entire spectrum and then guide it in the direction we FEEL is the most suitable for the entire emerging universal consciousness of this particular universe

      :)

      that said i still defer to the fruit of the cocoa plant ;p
  • Re: Plant consciousness metaphor

    Sun, May 18, 2008 - 12:32 PM
    Plants drive me right now, I have given them control of the superego and swore my loyalty to the Plant Mind - our Gaia Mother. I live for Her and follow Her instructions now. I am Her Car - the Plant Mind needs our hands - look at your hands, amazing things! The plants do not have this. They need our hands and our technology. In alliance we can save the planet - their knowledge and wisdom and our hands and technology - a map for a living future. This is an important map for a future now only promising large scale death and destruction.
    You are absolutely correct to give the Plant MInd the steering wheel. Let's face it right now we humans do no know where we are going. Some want love and transformation and wisdom but most want fear and violence and power. We humans left to our own devices will surely steer this planet to its doom with our unfortunately proponderance of ego driven greed, lust and powermongering. The far older Plant Mind of the planet (tapped into via entheogens - telephone, teleplant!) and the great mother of us all approach the planet wholistically - simple as that. The greatet among us with all their technology can begin to comprehend meaningfully the complexity of this planet and its organic and inorganic systems. The complexity of the biosphere is of such magnitude as to constitute a mystery. Simply to fully comprehend one organism in it's entireity is almost beyond our grasp. The complex of relationship of things one to another just on this little planet of our approach an infinitity of possibilites so that our biosphere is incomprehensible to we humans.
    • Re: Plant consciousness metaphor

      Sun, May 18, 2008 - 1:02 PM
      the problem with datura driving is she tends to go straight into the nearest wall...
      • Re: Plant consciousness metaphor

        Sun, May 18, 2008 - 1:22 PM
        no silly, Datura would simply say to us, you know the ones with the fabulous Hands, "go over there" and we would then drive Datura over there
        seriously, how much worse could Datura's destination for us be than say, our governments?
        Sometimes its right to just spin the WHEEL
        • Re: Plant consciousness metaphor

          Sun, May 18, 2008 - 1:46 PM
          yeah hell is other people as they say over here whilst doing their best to exemplify that statement... hahaha

          but however pathologically abusive people get I wouldn't feel particularly comfortable handing the keys over to datura until she'd taken a few more driving lessons - you know I have a feeling that plants aren't necessarily any less invasive than humans and they've like totally taken over my yard without asking my permission...

          this is after all the domain of the demiurge so why assume that any part of it is sane...?

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  • Re: Plant consciousness metaphor

    Sun, May 18, 2008 - 4:39 PM
    Interesting metaphor, but I think that I prefer a model of reality that attributes consciousness to all "things," and I see technologically-proficient primates as being more like the children of plants, rather than as mindless technologies that they created to inhabit and drive. I think that cars and chairs and rocks are actually conscious in some sense, and I also see my car as an extension of myself. (At least when it runs.) All boundaries ultimately blur on some level, because they're all arbitrary to begin with. I think that everything is conscious--at least that's the way that it seems to me on salvia. Evolutionarily speaking, plants literally gave birth to animals--so we're really their children--and through nanotechnology, artificial intelligence, advanced robotics, and quantum computing, we're, in turn, giving birth to a new species--made of the same stuff that we're made of, Earth, just rearranged in a new way. But I don't see these "species" (plants, humans, nanotechnologically-proficient super-beings) as being actually separate in any ultimate sense, as I think that it's all just one continuous flow of consciousness. It's all just us. I also like the metaphor that psychedelic plants are like neurotransmitter-generating glands in the Global Gaian Brain, and that humans are like brain cells. Anyway, at least this is what the plant spirits told me. ;-)

    ~David Jay Brown
    • Re: Plant consciousness metaphor

      Sun, May 18, 2008 - 9:27 PM
      Or maybe our bodies are just one of the latest solutions to the packaging problem of our creator, DNA. DNA being the starting point for plants and then animals. Humans will be developing into a more hive-like animal (cities are the start), insectile beings more closely in tune with plants. Therefore back to a more equal ballance of spirit and material. Some of the teachers we encounter are insectile. Insects have a very close relationship with plant molecules, they will be teaching us some really advanced biomolecular lessons soon. Anyway, that's whats goin' round these days, that's the buzzzzzzz.
      And of course the minerals are the most advanced consciousness. Very solid state of satori.
      • Re: Plant consciousness metaphor

        Mon, May 19, 2008 - 12:50 AM
        that stuff is kinda crazy...

        so it's curious how stuff comes along (and doesn't come along) whether it's weeds with medicinal properties or metaphysical media or people even...

        in my desperate hopeless isolation out here I kinda went peace and lovey and didn't kill bugs for a while and accepted flies as my friends because there weren't many of them just one coming to crawl on the computer screen now and then like to say I should take a break but then last winter they got too numerous so I didn't like them any more...

        I did a google and found out they were a different species of fly that live in the walls but lay their eggs in the earth to feed on worms...

        so that gaia thing can be mysterious and complex...

        and not particularly friendly if viewed from an ego perspective...
      • Re: Plant consciousness metaphor

        Mon, May 19, 2008 - 6:13 AM
        I have learned a lot about urban design... Traveling widely, studying many different philosophies and histories... and, as I progressed further in my career, going to city counsels to work with counsels of towns to move them back towards a centralized design.
        As we all should know, here in the U.S. our city designers in the post WW2 era were encouraged by the wiz kids and moses folks to decentralize. It was in the name of nuclear proofing our country. Highways are designed to carry military vehicles, and their placement and layout was meant to secure the land from pinprick attacks with nukes.
        This of course, combined with the ideal of living in a country villa, created an urban landscape based on cars.
        I have had a direct vision of the creature, the city... It is alive, and cars are it's red blood cells. Transporting ideas, and materials for the cities growth...
        Plants message for this=?: NAKED TECH!
        We are water proof! we don't need such concrete!
        • Re: Plant consciousness metaphor

          Mon, May 19, 2008 - 6:52 AM
          although I've passed through quite a few zones I am always pretty much unable to integrate and just generally clueless but it wouldn't surprise me if there were reptoids or insectoids or plantoids in charge... hahaha

          if anybody knows the plot can you take me to your leader...

          I need to try and negotiate a deal with Mephistopheles... hahaha
          • look in the mirror

            Mon, May 19, 2008 - 7:51 AM
            i find my leader in the mirror everyday.
            • Re: look in the mirror

              Mon, May 19, 2008 - 10:45 AM
              that's weird coz that's how I find my zits... hahaha

              but talking of plant consciousness I just ate a huge load of oyster mushrooms and they were very good... :)
              • Re: look in the mirror

                Mon, May 19, 2008 - 12:04 PM
                Call me spooky by it looks to me as if its us inside of me.


                The Serpent Coil Of DNA

                We meet it everywhere

                But we do not see its front


                We follow it everywhere

                But we do not see its back


                When we embrace this ancient serpent coil
                We are masters of the moment
                And we feel no break in the
                Curling back to primeval beginnings

                This may be called
                Unraveling the clue of the life process

                ________________


                Its rising is not bright

                nor its setting dark


                Unceasing, continuous
                Branching out in roots innumerable
                Forever sending forth the serpent coil

                of living things

                Mysterious as the formless existence

                to which it returns


                Twisting back
                Beyond mind

                We say only that it is form from the formless
                Life from spiral void

                ____________________





                Be empty
                Watch quietly while the ten thousand forms

                swim into life and return to the source


                Do nothing
                Return to the source

                Deep repose is the sign
                That you have reached
                The appointed goal

                To return to the source is to

                discover the eternal law of seed


                He who returns to this eternal law is enlightened
                Being enlightened he is serene
                Being serene he is open-hearted
                Being open-hearted he is beyond social games
                Being beyond social games he is in tune with seed
                Being in tune with seed he endures

                Until the end of his life he is not in peril





  • Re: Plant consciousness metaphor

    Sun, June 15, 2008 - 6:40 PM
    "Will there be another race
    To come along and take over for us?
    Maybe martians could do
    Better than we've done
    We'll make great pets!
    We'll make great pets!
    We'll make great pets!"

    subtitute plants for Martians and you get the creepyzoid idea

    lol

    seriously
    imho
    my green allies and me share a
    very loving symbiosic relationship

    ;-D