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my direct experience through mushrooms is that what we are at the deepest level is literally beyond articulation - the only way I can try to put it in words is that our "personality" or individuality, like so much "here", is peculiar to this physical existence - or, in Buddhism, it is "illusion" and when I returned to "eternity" the only way to say it is like I am a tiny spark of light that can "go out" and experience - aka "here", and then return and whatever experience I undergo, such experience returns to "the one light" and when I am reunited with this eternity, I still have a core of what we call "self" but there is no separateness, no pain, no beginning, no end .... and so what I think now is that since what we are is already perfect, already love, already bliss then "why" we are here is to learn about non perfect, non love, non bliss, non eternity?
I choose to reject everything I knew, having read much literature, history, science and over my 47 years and virtually all major - and some minor! religious and spiritual constructs - chucked it all!
Then I choose to follow the mushrooms, the voices, this entity that cohabitated my being for three months - it is not "my" belief, it is "the mushroom path" and I personally have no belief other than what I find upon this mushroom path
I think the less we "believe" the better - belief being like a subtle but real veil separating us from here and now
I choose to reject everything I knew, having read much literature, history, science and over my 47 years and virtually all major - and some minor! religious and spiritual constructs - chucked it all!
Then I choose to follow the mushrooms, the voices, this entity that cohabitated my being for three months - it is not "my" belief, it is "the mushroom path" and I personally have no belief other than what I find upon this mushroom path
I think the less we "believe" the better - belief being like a subtle but real veil separating us from here and now
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Re: Distillation
Thu, June 25, 2009 - 8:39 AMThat's cool, because I don't like "believing" necessarily.
It really bothers me when something only works if you BELIEVE, like Peter Pan or muscle testing.
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Re: Distillation
Thu, June 25, 2009 - 8:41 AMMaya> illusion. I'll go step further and say that we actually chose to participate in separateness.
...for if we are already(and have been always) eternal and infinite then we must choose to be in the life and death cycle. -
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Thu, June 25, 2009 - 9:30 AMa lot of people believe this - I don't know? My guess is that "choosing" is yet another concept peculiar to this reality but that is just my guess nothing the entity said about that? One thing I guess I understand deeply is eternity and it puts "this place" in a whole "new light", such a brief period we spend here yet so profound is it? -
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Thu, June 25, 2009 - 10:11 AMmushroom people have a lot of weird opinions that I don't necessarily always agree with. -
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Thu, June 25, 2009 - 10:13 AMWhether you agree or not, there is often food for thought in said opinions... -
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Thu, June 25, 2009 - 10:21 AMas terence once said, it's like listening to any other eccentric friend.
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Thu, June 25, 2009 - 11:07 AMThere are other "people" who arrive at the same stance by different means. Rock climbers who really hang it out there have moments of transport and terror and oceanic identity like mushroomers do. Near death experiencers come away with the same philosophy. Shroomers are not weirdos per se. -
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Re: Distillation
Thu, June 25, 2009 - 11:31 AMoh, and solari, I was referring to the actual shrooms, bro.
the things THEY say.
not the things people say when they listen to them...
you'll know what I mean someday?
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Re: Distillation
Thu, June 25, 2009 - 11:12 AMSometimes you do something to only later reflect on why you did it
I you live aware you can understand your motivations better at every hour.
Opportunities are everywhere if only one keeps their eyes open..
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Thu, June 25, 2009 - 11:25 AMThere's nothing like a near death experience though. Your eyes are about as wide open as they can be then. Some shroomers I know think that's what a mushroom trip really is - a near death experience you will probably survive though not absolutely everyone does. -
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Thu, June 25, 2009 - 11:58 AMThe last time I drank a tea with a load of syrian rue prior to the ingestigion of the mushroom....
I almost died in the streets of the city.
Afterwards I felt great..
Amazing what a little death can do..
It sure opens your eyes to structures and patterns in behaviour and spirit.
I imagine early human watching ants for hours under the influence.
As far as what mushrooms taught me..
It made me see actions in new timeframes.
It made me sense the true value of things.
It showed me the illusion people need somehow.
It showed me chaos and order..
It showed me ancient greek gods..
It showed me every animal that exists,,
It showed the dark and the light in me..
It showed me parralel worlds.
Ancient wicked worlds of insect-like sea creatures that float through us on higher vibrations.
Worlds of pure intent..
Above all it showed me myself..
And what I can be in this crazy jungle of dreams..
It is so personal for everybody I guess..
What is truth... remains the question..
I can only be me in the face of the unknown.. .
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Thu, June 25, 2009 - 12:04 PMDo you ever notice the rue spirit talking to you rather sassy and blunt?
rue's brought me to my knees as well. all while seemingly thousands of years in the past.
together with the fun guys I became a dragon of kundalini or something, somewhere.
cast into existence by MY voice.
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Re: radiation.voice.
Thu, June 25, 2009 - 12:11 PMSo how does a plant spirit communicate with the human?
And how do aliens?
They seem to know how to pick certain words from your memory and piece them together in such peculiar ways.
I bet you all of our minds are accessible in some futuristic computer on the other side of the galaxy or universe...
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Thu, June 25, 2009 - 12:20 PMYeah..
Everytime I took the rue it brought me to my knees somewhere down the line of the experience.. Haha
Wether it was to pray for redemption, to purge emotionally or in total awe of the beautiful experience. . .
Last time it really got a hold of me.
I thought I was doing fine but I was in a strange angry mood.
Then when I least expected it it said..
"You think you can judge..?"
Then my stomach turned..
My knees got weak and my pores just opened up, sweating out all my hatred.
I literally lost it right there, totally fuck'n lost it..
I have no words for it..
It was really bad.. but good looking at it afterwards.
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Re: radiation.voice.
Thu, June 25, 2009 - 12:22 PMexactly. rue asks questions like that, almost with a smirk.
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Re: Distillation
Fri, June 26, 2009 - 12:36 AM>>>That's cool, because I don't like "believing" necessarily.
>>>It really bothers me when something only works if you BELIEVE, like Peter Pan or muscle testing.
Pretty much every "way" towards higher consciousness involves adopting some belief system or another. I really like that about the entheogens, having access to these experiences without all the baggage.
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Thu, June 25, 2009 - 5:36 PMa year after my experience I had a severe attack of MS and was completely paralyzed and in the hospital for a month - should have stayed longer but I finally threatened to call someone over to my bed so I could reach them and then I would punch them in the face if they didn't let me out - they let me out! I could walk to the bathroom with a walker and that was good enough for me - man I hate hospitals. But anyway, on the night I almost died I had the most amazing dream. At the time I was paralyzed and my muscles were constantly contracting and I was sweating buckets and my whole body was stiff as a board but thankfully there was little pain. When my wife told me how bad it was and that I might not make it through the night, I genuinely had no fear of death and that experience made the mushroom path real to me, sort of driving it home, I guess. Maybe some part of me doubted my own experiences until this made it all real to me.
I don't intend to persuade anyone only to tell my own experiences - everything that every was, ever will be and is right now, is perfect - I love that because now I don't have to change anything, especially someone's "beliefs" but I was wondering if anyone had any similar experiences? -
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Thu, June 25, 2009 - 6:14 PMThat's some good stuff there, D.
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Fri, June 26, 2009 - 3:56 AM>>>everything that every was, ever will be and is right now, is perfect
You know, I can *remember* seeing the world that way. :D
With LSD. Everything whatsoever gliding on rails of subtle light, in effortless perfect harmony. No discord, no separation, no harm or blame. I would like to see the world that way again. :D
Caught up in the maya, the "news", the endless barrage of suffering and violence beamed into our TVs, our computers, our telephones...it can get hard to hear those ancient voices. Thank God/dess we have these medicines to help us clear the fog away.
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Sun, June 28, 2009 - 5:43 PMDistillation II
everything that ever was, ever will be, or is right now, is perfect
there, got it down to the nub now